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Old 03-18-2008, 01:13 PM   #16
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Re: Magic: The gathering Online

I'm gonna run some sealed deck games with Lorwyn and Morningtide and just see what I remember about card advantage and mana curves. Lol, is it still standard to run ~23 spells/17 land?

Also, I just checked my account and I have lke 22 tickets and a bunch of packs and even 2 tournament packs from Mirrodin. I'm gonna try trading these for Lorwyn/Morningtide stuff.
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:07 PM   #17
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lol. Nevermind. I think I'm done with magic. I just got owned twice in a sealed deck game when my opponent pulled the same draw on me twice (which involved knights and some other knight that gave every knight doublestrike). It was pretty lol.
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:43 PM   #18
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MTGO can be expensive if you are too lazy to sell your cards before they rotate out. Also, leagues are known to be the worst format with regards to "pay out" - the ratio of prizes given out versus product/tix consumed to join is significantly lower than either 8-man drafts/constructed or premiere events. However, if you are good enough, you can float your prizes and parlay it into entries into the next event and sort of "go infinite" as the expression goes.

Or, alternatively, you can skip MTGO altogether and download 3rd party freeware from some place like http://www.magic-league.com. Back when I was a PTQ regular, I used to play Apprentice/Netdraft all the time, joining the appropriate channels in irc to find opponents. This removes the component of collecting/owning cards, you just play the game any way you want. It's optimal for pre-testing decks before buying the requisite cards. The fact that the third party software doesn't enforce the rules, or hand-hold the play experience didn't bother me, but the one unassailable feature of MTGO (besides legitimacy) is that you get real competition from quality opponents motivated to win. Apprentice/Netdraft can sort of be analogous to playing poker for play money.
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Old 03-18-2008, 03:33 PM   #19
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Yeah, against my better judgment I joined a league and figured this would be the end of it. If I post the cards I got, would anybody mind and would anybody be able to help me? It's a Lorwyn tourney pack + 3 morningtide boosters.

Let me know, I'm pretty clueless right now since I just got destroyed in that sealed deck (0-6)
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:16 PM   #20
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Re: Magic: The gathering Online

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Yeah, against my better judgment I joined a league and figured this would be the end of it. If I post the cards I got, would anybody mind and would anybody be able to help me? It's a Lorwyn tourney pack + 3 morningtide boosters.

Let me know, I'm pretty clueless right now since I just got destroyed in that sealed deck (0-6)
I'll take a look at your pool and give my opinions.
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Old 03-18-2008, 06:21 PM   #21
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Re: Magic: The gathering Online

White:
Coordinated Barrage
Crib Swap
Forfend
Graceful Reprieve
Surge of Thoughtweft
Soaring Hope
Triclopean Sight
Weight of Conscience
Ballyrush Banneret
Burrenton Bomber
Changeling Sentinel
Galepowder Mage
Goldmeadow Harrier
Hillcomber Giant
Kinsbaile Balloonist
Lairwatch Giant
Mosquito Guard
Sentry Oak
Stonehewer Giant
Wandering Graybeard
Wellgabber Apothecary
Wispmare

Blue:
Aquitect's Will
Faerie Trickery
Stream of Unconsciousness
Whirlpool Whelm
Glimmerdust Nap
Zephyr Net
Dewdrop Spy
Fencer Clique x 2
Flen Elendra Pranksters
Ink Dissolver x 2
Inspired Sprite
Mothdust Changeling
Scion of Oona
Silvergill Adept
Stonybrook Banneret

Black:
Noggin Whack
Pack's Disdain
Biterblossom
Faerie Tauntings
Blightsoil Druid
Boggart Loggers
Final-Sting Faerie
Frogtosser Banneret x 2
Moonglove Changeling
Mournwhelk
Nightshade Stinger
Spiderwing Bogart
Squeaking Pie Frubfellows
Thieving Sprite
Warren Pilferers

Red:
Chandra Nalaar
Rival's Duel
Roar of the Crowd
Adder-Staff Boggart
BoggartSprite-Chaser
Boldwyr Intimidator
Faultgrinder
Fire Juggler
Flamekin Harbinger
Glarewielder
Lunk Errant
Mudbutton Clanger
Mudbutton Torchrunner
Soulbright Flamekin
Sunflare Shaman

Green:
Deglamer
Luminescent Rain
Fertile Ground
Reins of the Vinesteed
Ambassador Oak
Bramblewood Paragon
Elvish Branchbender
Fertilid
Game-trail Changeling
Heritage Druid
Kithkin Daggerdare
Oakgnarl Warrior
Warren-scourge Elf
Wren's Run Vanquisher

Artifacts and Equipment:
Cloak and Dagger
Moonglove Extract
Springleaf Drum

Lands:
Mutavault
Vivid Crag
Vivid Creek

So, I haven't really looked at these cards before so while typing them out I looked over them and I feel like I would go white/blue with a splash of red for the planewalker (using the two vivid lands and the mutavault). I feel like my white is too powerful to not use it, but maybe blue/black would be good too, or white/green (all with the red splash)

Let me know if you have any questions.
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:21 PM   #22
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One good thing, Mutavault + Bitterblossom will probably net you about 30 tickets once your league is over. That pays for the entire card pool.

You are right about white being pretty strong. I'd be tempted to find a way to get black in there, the aforementioned bitterblossom is pretty strong, especially with cloak and dagger and surge of thoughtweft. I think you could probably make it happen, but I'm not sure about splashing for Chandra. If you do, you are going to need a mountain or two to be able to reliably play it (mutavault only makes colorless).

Normally you won't play black and white very often in this block, but I think the comboes that you have between them make it worth trying to make it work here.

Bitterblossom goes well with: surge of thoughtweft, coordinated barrage, pack's disdain.
Cloak and dagger goes well with the black rogues, and can be searched by Stonehewer Giant.
Galepowder mage works well with Warren Pilferers, Mournwhelk, heck even Final-Sting Faerie.

Here is the what I could come up with:

Non-creatures:
Coordinated Barrage
Crib Swap
Surge of Thoughtweft
Weight of Conscience
Pack's Disdain
Moonglove Extract
Cloak and Dagger
Noggin Whack (this card is good even if you can't prowl it out, often getting 2 nice cards)
Bitterblossom

Creatures:
Goldmeadow Harrier
Ballyrush Banneret
Blightsoil Druid
Bitterblossom
Burrenton Bombardier
Boggart Loggers
Moonglove Changeling
Spiderwig Boggart
Kinsbaile Balloonist
Changeling Sentinel
Galepowder Mage
Final-Sting Faerie
Stonehewer Giant
Warren Pilferers
Mournwhelk

Lands:
8 plains
8 swamp
1 Mutavault

Other Notables:
Thieving Sprite - maybe run him over Mournwhelk since the deck is sorta expensive
Wispmare - sideboard vs. opponents with multiples of oblivion ring/weight of conscience/lignify etc.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:17 PM   #23
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Also, how much are some of the older more valuable cards worth? I still have stuff like an early (can't recall if it was alpha or beta) forcefield, lotus, etc.. Hope they haven't depreciated with the release of newer better cards.
Go on ebay and do a completed items search. I was shocked.

I haven't played in nearly 10 years, but in that time, the prices for the power 9 have really gone up. The Lotus in particular, even unrated, have sold for > $500 as recently as a week ago.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:00 PM   #24
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Alright well you are definitely running White, no question about that. It has the deepest solid creature pool and you also managed to get some of the better tricks in the color (Crib Swap, Surge, Barrage).

Bitterblossom is way too good not to run. The card is nuts. The rest of your black is fairly weak, however. I'd run blue as my second color and splash the black. The Fencer Cliques are soldiers so they are aided by the Banneret. This also gives you a lot of evasion via fliers. Chandra's 3RR mana cost is fairly prohibitive as far as playing red goes.

Here's what I'd run:

Creatures (14)
Ballyrush Banneret
Burreton Bombardier
Changeling Sentinel
Galepowder Mage
Goldmeadow Harrier
Kinsbaile Balloonist
Stonehewer Giant
Inspired Sprite
Scion of Oona
2x Fencer Clique
Dewdrop Spy
Warren Pilferers
Moonglove Changeling

Others spells (8):
Crib Swap
Coordinated Barrage
Surge of Thoughtweft
Weight of Conscience
Whirlpool Whelm
Bitterblossom
Cloak and Dagger
Moonglove Extract

Lands (18)
7x Plains
6x Island
3x Swamp
Mutavault
Vivid Creek

18 lands because drawing Mutavault in the early game sucks and because you have lots of four-drops and mana-related abilities.

I'm pretty sure this deck could be built more tightly, but I don't really feel like doing mana curve analysis or other calculations right now.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:02 PM   #25
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Re: Magic: The gathering Online

ok, I'm glad my instincts aren't completely off, but you guys have definitely helped a lot. I'll run white/blue or white/black depending on how I feel when I look at the mana curves (Magic Online makes this easy). If I lose two matches running one, I'll run the other.

Thanks guys.

This is kind of fun. I'd enjoy looking through other people's pools if people play Leagues on MODO.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:21 PM   #26
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yeah that advice on what to run is good. Both your green and red are only a cpl of cards away from being good. picking up a couple of warriors would make your deck nuts.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:37 PM   #27
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This is making me want to play :/
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:44 PM   #28
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Doooooo it.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:34 AM   #29
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I would edit but I can't.

I played a game with the black/white deck that I won by the skin of my teeth. Lost the first game to not having any land, and then got nothing but land in the 2nd but then sucked out since he didn't draw any either. 3rd game I won, and turn 2 bitterblossom is pretty dope, although he still managed to give me a run for my money. I did make some misplays though, so I can still get better.

I'll give it another run tomorrow, and hopefully I can play the turn 2 bitterblossom some more, heh.
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Old 03-19-2008, 09:30 AM   #30
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For those looking for pricing information: http://www.magictraders.com/pricelists/ collects info from completed eBay auctions. Also, if you scan your cards, posters on the forums there will give you pretty accurate value info.
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