damn, they've been making games for over a thousand years?

Amazon is having a big end of summer sale:

http://www.amazon.com/b?node=8028229011&tag=anairo-20

28th-1st

Holy ****. They made dlc for ride to hell retribution?

Latest news this morning.

Valve being sued by the ACCC

It would be hilarious if Valve just blocked Australia.

All they just gotta do is not say they don't ever offer refunds.

I'm surprised why it took this long. My guess is that the support tickets finally piled up and people started taking action, filing official reports with the ACCC and CAFTA.

i thought steam did give refunds? i kinda remember something about some dumbasses being all pissed that bioshock infinite offended their religious sensibilities or something and they got refunds. was that not steam then?

Steam actually does give refunds, they just don't consider themselves obligated to. It's very, very difficult to get a refund on a steam product. And the refund typically only comes in the form of steam wallet.

I tried and failed twice to get a refund on games with ****ty DRM. GTA IV first put me on my crusade against DRM after having to battle with Rockstar Social Club and GFWL, and while searching how to fix it read up on SecuROM. Then a few years ago I bought Max Payne 3 and LA Noire on sale forgetting how ****ty Rockstar is and tried to get a refund before even downloading the games. Now I just wait for GoTY editions that have all of the DLC and make sure to check PCGamingWiki and forums to make sure there's nothing crappy in the installer.

I think it would benefit Steam, developers and users if Steam implemented some "refund available within x amount of time"-thing.

That way people could use it to try out stuff, (making sure it ran on their computer and that they liked the game) essentially making a demo for every game without the developers having to do so.

Some formula where you got to play for x% of average time the game would take to play (to avoid the shorter games just being finished and returned) with an upper limit of a few hours for instance.

Google Play lets you refund any paid app after 15 mins. You would need more time for PC games but it would be a great feature regardless.

https://support.google.com/googlepla...34336?hl=en-AU

No it wouldn't

I am a firm believer that more developers should release demos for their games. I remember a day when a majority of the games on the shelf had an online demo you could download or a disc that came with my monthly subscription of PC Gamer. Sadly this isn't the case anymore.

Pretty much what Dr. Wily said. Though it states in the Steam Subscriber Agreement that refunds will not be granted under any circumstances, refunds are still few and far between. Consumers really have to push their way to warrant Valve giving them a refund, which is oftentimes much more work than it should be. I've read about some horror stories where Valve have denied users after experiencing issues of non-playability, unable to activate a game, and other serious technical issues involving DRM.

The ACCC has put Valve in an awkward position in this lawsuit as Valve are required to comply with local laws when it comes to sales of goods or services. This is even cited in Valve's own EULA.

Relevant article on people requesting refunds for From Dust.

http://www.lo-ping.org/2011/08/18/va...-of-from-dust/

I think there was lawsuit in Germany that rules people should be allowed to sell their games in Steam though?

we have demos nowadays

lol

I have gotten a refund once when I bought gta but didn't work on my computer

GoG offers a 30 day refund and Origin a 24 hour refund for EA games after you launch them btw.

You guys remember shareware discs? Where you could buy the "game" at a bargain price and get home when you're 10 and realize it's a ****ing demo. Yeah, **** those things.

I just pulled the trigger on the Humble Bundle with Age of Empires. Time to turtle and build up an unnecessarily large army and systematically wipe the opponent off the map every mission regardless of what the objective is.

I got so many games via shareware.

Wolfenstein, Doom, etc.

Yea, GoG is awesome and way too good for this world.

I mean I had tons of them too lol. Just frustrating being a kid and not understanding wtf it is since the cases looked the same as normal games.