Yeah I played LiLi up to level 5 in QM and she's both effective and easy to play. I got 133k of healing in one game. LOL. I have 2k gold so I'll go with her for now. HL here I come!

Based on my placement games I think the playerbase has gotten past this one, but you will occasionally encounter teams who think any warrior is a capable tank* and end up with Artanis or Sonya as the only frontliner.

*I actually wish Blizzard would rework some talents to make it so that this actually is the case. What else are the role labels for?

they should change the classes to how hotslogs describes characters. it's so much more accurate

(Tank/Bruiser/Healer/Support/Ambusher/Burst Damage/Sustained Damage/Siege/Utility)

It's also an absurd amount of complexity for something that has no mechanical effect. The current classification system already has 16 combinations and there's like less than 50 heroes; I understand why super competitive sites like hotslogs use that level of resolution but as a quick in-game thing to tell you what a hero is about I think simpler is better. I also just think it's better in general to have more viable tanks.

The tank/bruiser and healer/support would be enough. No need to subdivide the dps classes as that will just confuse too many players.

Given that Tassadar has been showing up as a solo support in high level games recently, that proposal basically amounts to increasing the # of roles by 50%, complicating QM matchmaking, the character select screen and the quest system, in order to add "Bad support" and "Melee Assassin who doesn't die quite as fast" as roles.

I don't even mind if some Warriors are versatile as tanks and others are "You can tank, barely, if you pick this exact sequence of talents," I just feel like intuitively "being able to tank" should be part of the definition of a Warrior.

I dont see what the problem is with diversifying roles

Haven't played in the past ~8 months. Has the game improved since then? Is it more complex or still very casual? is there a shop yet??!

There's no shop and there won't be one, the game is supposed to be more casual than other MOBAs.

Is there a table/list/guide of what heroes counter what heroes? I and probably most people at the lower ranks of HL just pick what heroes they are good for their team (and then the question comes up "who's gonna be support?" lol) and it'd be nice to have an idea which heroes are good based on what my opponent's team picks.

truthfully until you get to a certain point (~rank 1) you're best suited to playing what hero is the best/you play best

How do the points work for the HL ranks? I've been getting ~300 points for a win and losing ~100-150 for a loss. I'm ranked in the mid-30s. Is this the equivalent of "you can't lose stars at this rank" in Hearthstone (though I know you can't lose any points above rank 39 in Hots)?

means the game thinks you're a lot better than you are, since you're getting bonus points (max 200 a win)

What does it base your mmr on? Stats like damage done, role points (healing/tank damage received), k/d ratio, exp earned, or even technical things like apm and how often you use your abilities?

I have no clue. You're probably overthinking it - it's bliz. It's probably something asinine like killing blows.

Currently MMR is a function of W/L result and MMR of opponents only, though the exact parameters and algorithm are unknown.

I assume your teams MMR is in the mix there as well but Blizzard doesn't want to make it public.

I got an advice to pick this first, before eventually switching to DotA / LoL, as likely the best (the casualest ) entrance to the genre!?

If your goal is to eventually switch to dota/lol, you should just start with those games rather than play heroes. While hots is still a moba it is way different than those 2 and a lot of the concepts that are key in dota/lol arent there in hots. I've played dota on and off since 2004 and decided to try out heroes a month ago. I really like playing heroes better for a few reasons.

1. A lot of my friends play, and its always more fun to queue with a group than alone.

2. The community seems better. In dota you will have a douchbag in most of your games, where as in hots its more around 10% or even less.

3. Hots is easier. I'm 30 and I'm not as good at video games as I used to be and just have more fun being mediocre in hots than being terrible in dota.

Just my 2 cents.

looking for more 2p2ers to play with

mcnulty#1363

Since the MMR change my quick games have been completely terrible. Like, my team consist of a bunch of droolers and the other team has one or two really good players.

Sometimes the compositions also wreck you. 3 tanks, 2 assa vs 1 tank 4 assa, those kind of things.

Why would you ever play QM aka casual? It is guaranteed trainwreck where no one give a ****.

Ranked feels like that too around rank 5 by now also though, at rank 1-2 people tend to care a little.

I hated wasting 10 minutes on the picking screen.

Although I am sure the dumb comps problem is mostly solved, although at no rank there might be too many idiots.

The draft is probably my favorite part of the game

Bobbo, oddly enough I was trying Hots out again two nights ago for the first time in 8 months. I saw you in a group with someone (the name in between gobbo-rage and garbage, looks French) and tried to whisper you but got some kind of error. You guys were in some king of league or ranked play so I figured I wouldn't try and bother you.

I think the game is fun and would be interested in queuing up with some other 2p2ers. I am on my phone so don't have my battle tag handy but I'll keep an eye out if people post in here.