This time with "I swear to God, for realz this time" release date of November 2nd. Trailer is officially out and it appears to have some sort of Nascar and Top Gear tie-in, would be impressive if they have an entire Nascar game in the middle.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/gra...ory=OtherStuff

more like nfs to be honest

lol.....ya ok

Id prefer it if they just ditched the nascar element all together. Nascar is the opposite of everything that makes GT great.

I'm excited but I won't believe it until I have my grubby paws on it.

Why's that? NASCAR is build around tuning cars to the nth degree just like GT. If anything it makes sense to have stock type stuff somewhere in there. It's not like they're going to start mispronoucing words and encouraging incest (right?).

Basically, the overseas circuit cars are much more similar to their production counterparts than NASCAR cars are. NASCAR is all the same car. While they have different manufacturers, it's all basically the same engine, drivetrain, and body style. By comparison, the Japanese racing circuit (I'm not exactly sure what it's called, whatever they used for GT3 and GT4) features a skyline, supra, and NSX; which features an I6 4WD, I6 FR, and V6 MR respectively. And the bodys are also quite different. I'd rather race supertuned Monte Carlo SS/Fusion/Charger/Camry than a NASCAR model.

Also the obvious arguement of NASCAR racing predominately on circle tracks.

They are making a left... and another left... OH MY GOD! THEY ARE GOING LEFT AGAIN! NOOOO ANOTHER LEFT! THIS RACE IS SO EXCITING! WOOOOOW DID YOU GUYS SEE THAT OTHER LEFT! I wonder what will happen next... OMG ANOTHER LEFT TURN! AMAZING!

I'm not really a fan of Nascar....but I am so tired of this joke. Its just so OOOLD. Maybe if you used more caps?

Maybe if Nascar had more corners?

More corners wouldn't help the joke as there are already road courses in Nascar. Also, I believe when I see comedians use this bit, its in reference to WATCHING a race...which I agree is totally boring. You won't, however, be spectating races in the game, you'll be driving....which = intense.

I'm looking forward to the Nascar section. Yes, all the cars are highly similar. Yes, the tracks are generally simple. The only real variant is the skill of the driver. What I'm curious about is how they'll handle the online gameplay. They surely can't do that whole lose your throttle for 5 seconds thing every time you bump someone a bit on, say, Talladega. That just wouldn't work.

It's almost as if the all the cars were based on production models from the dealers stock, so the only way to get an advantage would be in how you configured the car to drive and how you drove it...

lol, I bought my ps3 in sept 07 looking forward to gt5. 3 years later and I bet they still don't get it out by november.

As a nascar fan and oval track fan in general, I will say that costanza's points are valid, but man the stock car jokes are so tired.

I would bet that most people who ridicule Nascar because it's oval track racing are just as bored watching other forms of racing, because they just aren't racing fans. Oval track racing in general has far more action than road racing. More passing, more contact, more back and forth, more close finishes. I find sports in general boring, but I don't make fun of them just because they aren't my thing.

I wish they had some dirt track racing but I'm stoked to get NASCAR back. It will be decent for the first time 2003.

Would those of you who slam NASCAR become fans if all the races were on road courses? Do you guys actually keep up with F1 or any of the numerous other road racing series? I would guess that over 90% of people who make that lame left turn joke don't watch any form of racing with any regularity.

Also, fwiw, I like road racing, and in fact Nascar is running at Infineon this weekend. I also watch f1, rally, sprint cars, motorcycles, and about anything else that I find on tv lest anyone think that I am as close minded about road racing as others are about oval tracks.

One more thing, since this thread is likely to attract the attention of the few racing fans on 2+2, you guys should download World of Outlaws Sprint Car Racing. If you like online racing, it is far more fun than the GT prologue. Dirt track racing is perfectly suited to online racing imo. I'll even send you my setups if you friend request me. I'm basically one of the fastest guys playing that game right now.

I haven't missed an F1 or MotoGP race in ages. I'm also one of the morons who wakes up at 4am to see those night races.

Still, F1 has gotten pretty boring too.

Well, that's cool then. Then again, everyone in Europe watches F1 right?

Switch some of those "lefts" with "rights" and you're still just watching traffic. If you enjoy the subtly of racing (the importance of tuning and incremental gains and losses) then you'll enjoy cars regardless of how they turn. If you don't, you won't.

I'm sorry but I do not agree.

To me, comparing beautiful sports like Rally to Nascar is a heresy. Same thing for saying if you like one, you have to like 'em all.

Then again, I find american football boring after an hour ( the way it's presented sure influences my opinion ), while I could watch "soccer" all day. So I guess it's a question of taste ( and some other factors that are way to complicated to be discussed as OT ).

More people are watching F1 live every event than watch the superbowl

I too am one of the people who religiously watches F1, I have seen every race (and most of the qualis) through the whole of last season and this season. I don't mind a bit of football from time to time, so I'm quite enjoying the World Cup, but for me F1 is the best sport there is. I have to disagree with YourDoom, I think its fairly interesting at the moment with the Red Bull/McLaren fight. What coverage do you watch? The BBC's is excellent, with the notable exception of Eddie Jordan who is a vile, annoying little thing who talks for far too long and is clearly hated by those he presents alongside and interviews.

Also, Nascar is a joke, just an army of rednecks congregating in a preposterously large oval whilst similar-minded people sit around the outside grinning and clapping their webbed hands.

With boring I simply meant the change over the course of the years. The years with the real Schumacher, Hakkinen etc. simply beat these years to scrap. These days it's not boring to the point that you can't watch it, that's not what I meant.

The last race was fairly interesting too, with all the tires collapsing after 10 laps I also like some of the changes tehy introduced this year, just to mix things up a bit.

As for the coverage, after SKY dumped Formula 1 in italy, I have to watch it on public television. But it's pretty well made and they do it with passion.

man i really want to play GT right now....anybody in Las Vegas want to lend me their PS2?

Play GT5 Prologue?

Funny how intolerance and sweeping (and grossly incorrect) assumptions about an entire group of people is ok as long as it's directed against the right ones. Jesus, here we have a bunch of people who never watch stock car racing explaining how terrible it is. Do you guys realize that it's the same thing as the typical prejudiced American who only watches football saying that soccer is a sissy sport?

Are you guys really so close minded that you cannot even consider that stock car racing might be a legitimate form of motorsports? Do you have no appreciation for the engineering involved in getting a 358 pushrod V8 to run almost 10,000 rpm? Do you have no understanding of how difficult it is to drive a 3400 pound car with 900 horsepower and 10 inch wide tires at 160-200 mph on tracks that require you to be basically in a controlled slide for a half mile or more every lap? Do you think that stock car racing is truly as simple as just standing on the accelerator and turning left? If you believe this, can you explain why outstanding drivers from as prestigious a form of racing as formula one fail to win against Nascar's stupid rednecks?

I'm not asking anyone to like Nascar. But to deny it's value based on ignorant assumptions or elitist snobbery is incredibly low class and, dare I say it, the mark of an unenlightened, unintelligent, and intolerant person.

This is the last I will say on this subject.

I think F1 cars have V8s that opperate at higher than 10k rpms.....and i dont think theres any nascar drivers that can crossover to F1 either.

Edit: Thread needs to get back on topic of bashing polyphony for not getting this product out sooner.

f1 engines are very small in terms of displacement and have very short strokes and overhead cams so it's a lot easier to get high rpm from them. On your second point you are probably correct, (although Jeff Gordon showed some potential when he and JPM swapped cars at Indy) but we'll never know. (ok, I'll stop now)

no pushrods in F1 engines, they're double overhead cams, huge difference as far as redline/powerband is concerned