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DAT SPAIN

Iberians make the best economists obv

well played england AI

MUGHAL EMPIRE, 1504-1536

Seeing their weakness - high revolt risk, war exhaustion and slightly depleted units in peace time - the Khan decided to strike once again at Ming China, in attempt to break them once and for all. Leading the Mughal troops and their Hindustan allies in a hard fought and bloody campaign, he accomplished just that. The Mughals added a chain of provinces reaching to the Ming coast, cleaving their Celestial Empire in two.

Some 7ish years after the first truce, another war was declared. This time, Ming forces were much smaller and easily overwhelmed. After seiging up everything, another chunk was taken out of central Ming and added to the Mughal Khanate. The former Ming COT in Hanyang was destroyed, as it's value had plumeted to only 290, and the Khan planned to take the COT in Nanjing in the near future. (In retrospect, I should've kept Hanyang and destroyed Nanjing if possible, to protect the trade against blockades.)

In the north, Manchu were reclaiming land they'd lost to Ming. The Khan would not stand for such theft, and launched a massive invasion of Manchu. The Manchurians were no match for the ferocious Mughal forces and were easily beaten. The Khan wanted Manchu as a vassal, as their lands were not that appealing. Since they were too large to vassalize, a number of provinces were taken instead.

With a full peace reached for the first time ever, the Khan released 2 areas of especially poor provinces as vassals, Khiva and Baluchistan. Khiva was given several additional provinces in the area which were of no value. Baluchistan, however, had taken the wealthy port of Indus with it. The Khan would not stand for such, and invaded after ending their vassalization. Indus was retaken, but the former vassal was too large to re-vassalize in the war. Such action would have to wait til another war later.

As the 1530s rolled in, the 4th Jihad against Ming was declared. Mughal armies once against poured into China, meeting only token opposition - Rebels were putting up a better fight than the Ming forces. Yet another section of Ming was annexed, including the great cities of Beijing and Shanghai.

Throughout the 30 years, the Khans poured resources into building the Empire up from the inside. Many Workshops and Temples were erected, along with several other local structures. Missionaries were sent throughout China to make good followers of Allah out of the new Han Chinese subjects. Around 1530, the decision was made to modernize the military, allowing access to Muslim troops. While they were comparable to the Steppe troops used presently, the Muslim troops would be upgradable in the future, whereas the Steppe troops would fall out of date. The long period of Westernization was nearing, and the upgradable soldiers would serve well until the armies could be fully brought up to Western standards much later.


Mughal census of 1536, showing the new region of Mughal China:



For reward: Land Tradition

As you can see, we've made a major upgrade from Wool (price 3.6) to GRAIN (price 5.0!!!) as our primary product. Wool is still a very close second place, and Cloth comes in third. BUILD SHIPYARDS EVERYWHERE, PEOPLE!

History of Portugal (1504-1536)

The reign of Jose I de Avis (1501-1510)

King Jose began by finishing his great crusade against the barbaric people of Mutapa, routing their armies and claiming lordship over vast swathes of their savage and gold rich land. He then set about enhancing his country's technology even further, spurred on by the ever flourishing Portuguese trade-based economy. Land and gov.t tech 18 were both quickly gained. Then, Jose sought to fill in the blank spaces in Brazil and, having pursued the idea of Colonialist Ventures, sent forth colonists to the inland provinces in that beautiful and bountiful land.

The reign of Antonio I de Avis (1510-)

Jose, however, died when he was run over by the Spanish King who was busy taking driving lessons at the time in his new Ford Escort (ironically this was given as a gift from Jose to Tomás as a sign of continued friendship). After successfully negotiating with the Russian King after his audacious attack on Portugal’s Syrian allies, Antonio took to further establishing his presence in East Africa. Both Swahili and Mutapa were assaulted, with the former losing territories and the latter being annexed and removed from the map entirely.

Antonio, keen to make his own mark on Portugal’s economy, decided in a dramatic move to shift his capital to the New World. Territories were swapped with Spain and the move was made, further boosting Portugal’s income (which had been flagging slightly due to other pesky nations achieving high free trade sliders/trade tech levels and my having infamy and too many placed merchants). Antonio then sent colonists north from his new capital and continues to move up into North America as we speak.

It was there that he encountered his old foe, the Dutch, and he embarked on a lamentable campaign to reclaim Portugal’s magical core on Alabama. Despite having more land troops of a far better tech level, the Dutch troops prevailed over Portugal (worked out this was because of a) their better general and b) their much higher moral - a foolish error on my part but HEY its still my first multiplayer). Luckily the navies of Portugal and Spain were able to save the day, forcing the Dutch King to agree a white peace through their blockades in the Netherlands and command of the Gulf of Mexico.

Portugal’s economy and navy continue to rank as the most impressive in the world. It also has great potential to expand, with free reign in most of North America and colonial range everywhere in the world. But its manpower is diabolical and thus its potential main role in any future wars to come will likely be as a naval mercenary to one of the true superpowers.

I didn't even realize stuff like that had an effect on commodity prices! Now I found this, and so I must request:



- Plz to be converting Muslims to Christians
- Build lots of constables and custom houses and marketplaces
- Stay Catholic

Thanks everyone!

Sorry but we are busy spreading the word of Allah to the countless thousands of Chinese who now pledge their loyalty to Jahândâr Shah II, Khan of Khans & Calpih of the Mughal Empire.

Best of luck in bringing back Catholicism, though!

Hinduism will not spread any further. The silly innovative sliders needed for westernisation have prevented the Chinese peasants from being converted.


AAR time. History of Hindustan (1504-1536)

The glorious armies of Hindustan finally seized their opportunity to finally dismantle the evil Ming empire. Mughals and Hindustanis bravely attacked the 20 war exhaustion nation and took many provinces in many wars. See Mughal AAR for more info.

50 years ago in preparation for the weights and scales decision the national focus had been changed to the capital. Unfortunately several hours into the game, our leader forgot which province the capital was and moved it two provinces north 3 years before the decision. :| As a result the decision still cannot be enacted, also a new CoT in China could not be founded, so the Hindu armies stole a centre of trade off Pegu instead. More provinces were also taken from Malacca.

Hindustan finally got their second national idea of +1 morale. With this idea, the defender of faith bonus to morale, Chinese infantry, steppe cavalry the Hindu armies began to look vaguely competent.

A period of temple building followed, now with most provinces in the empire having one. Economy buildings now are the priority, as Hindustan languishes near the bottom of the income per province rankings. The pool of advisers also began to run dry as there became less countries existing as Hindustan ate them up, with only a +naval tradition advisor left.

The time of troubles continues in Hindustan, as it been running for many years now. Hopefully I can time it to continue until I can move my final slider to westernise, as the +2 stability even would be very nice.

The RUSSIAN EPIC continued

Renowned Czar Boris the Great, the last of the Rurikovich's, continued to bring great power and glory to the Empire during 1504-1524. The Horde was totally annihilated and the faith was spread to all corners of Russia. During this time, Russia attained unparalleled martial strength with the greatest army ever to march on the Earth, and an impressive economy. Continuous, but careful reforms were made to Russian society, making it less narrowminded and more innovative.

Near the end of Boris the Great's reign, Russia had expanded to most of its natural borders and needed additional lands to conquer. A suitable land was immediately thought of: the Holy Land! A vast fleet and large numbers of troops were sent to the tumultuous lands. Mamlukean Pretender armies were firmly in control and fought hard, but Russian steel prevailed and the cross was raised over Jerusalem once more. Further conquests of the levant were carried out as well, giving Russia a port on the Red Sea.

Trouble was on the horizon, though: Boris' heir had died. Having reigned for 54 years, a very long time by most standards, a worry was that Boris would die without a suitable heir. This indeed happened, with the fool Pyotr I Naryshkin taking the throne. Pytor was by no means a suitable replacement for the larger-than-life Boris. The throne had enjoyed great prestige through the inspired leadership of the Rurikovich house but this new line had little legitimacy in the eyes of many nobles.

The December Revolution

The nobles had taken a back seat to the Czar for the last century, yielding much of their political power in return for wealth and economic power as the Empire grew under the Czar's strong leadership. For the most part they supported efforts towards "westernization" of the country. When the new line came to power, however, they felt threatened: They felt this new Czar unable to push through the necessary reforms to make Russia a truly Western power, and thus eliminate their rapid rise in wealth. Many even felt that the entire concept of the monarchy was holding Russia back. Powerful Czars like the late Boris I were one thing, they argued, but how could we count on having another great Czar to follow him? And so they plotted. On December 10th, 1526, forced loyal to a faction of nobles marched into the Winter Palace and captured the unpopular Czar without violence, and promptly sent him to Siberia. From now on, Russia would be a Republic ruled by a council of nobles! Few objected to this large change, as most yearned for yet more reforms.

The first Knyaz of the Russian Republic, Nikolai Skopin, has vowed to stop at nothing to bring Russia out of its backward ways. He is working on a set of reforms which should start to take serious effect 1537, just a year from now.

Austria 1504-1536

The major of event of the session was the Reformation, which eventually saw Austria, Milan, and France converting to Protestantism. Due to the conversion as well as a regency, Austria saw slow expansions throughout the session. Two wars were declared against the Ottomans and their vassals, eventually resulting in the vassalization of 4 province Bosnia, which had annexed Serbia following their release from Ottoman vassalage. Further expansion in Europe also occurred through the annexations of Magdeburg and Frankfurt, each of which had a mission to annex them for a core. On top of this, Saxony and the Byzantine empire were convinced to become vassals of Austria, gaining another elector vote and 3 Mediterranean provinces. Last but not least, somehow Anhalt gained possession of 2 Baltic provinces.

While Austria gained provinces in Europe they also furiously built up a navy. With 49 big ships (all caravels) Austria actually has the second largest navy after Portugal. This mainly happened due to the coring of Austrias Croatian provinces, gaining it another 3 ports for a total of 7. Austria realized that the world was quickly being gobbled up by the colonial powers, and it would have to use its new navy in order to gain a place in the sun.

Austria soon used its new navy to project power, conquering 3 provinces in Eastern Africa from Swahili. These provinces became a launching pad for the Austrian invasion of Korea, which was a major success. Austria gained control of the 2 most valuable Korean provinces, both of which produce chinaware.

In 1536 Austria stands as the most powerful nation in the world, with a huge economy, the largest army, and an enormous navy.

Austria and vassals, 1536 (not pictured: Austrian Swahili and Austrian Korea

dat non-core COT!

(this is goofy hi)

Spain and Portugal are fulfilling their god-given mission to spread the true faith to all corners of the world

Off topic, but CK2 gonna be sooooooooo good

Here's the end of my 2nd game as Matilda, the Duchess of Tuscany:


I added 4 provs in central Italy, plus 3 in Sicily and Malta (not pictured), and the southern half of Sardinia. I should've gotten the 4th prov in Sicily that the HRE has, but I got dicked out of a war because the holder of that prov died right after I warred, which apparnently ends the war, and HRE went after it before I could re-dec (happened with Sardinia too, but I got it faster). Finished 2 big Ambitions - to become The Holy and to build up wealth. The Prestige ambition wasn't available for some reason.. idk, maybe fat women can't earn the title 'The Great' ITG :S

I noticed right after I took the screens that I can ask for Excommunications, and the big Duke of Baden in the north-east is a valid target. Could have excomm'ed him and probably torn him up for some more provs, possibly even enough to form the Kingdom of Italy. If I did that I would've been free to press Kingdom claims against everyone else in northern & central Italy and bring it all under my GLORIOUS rule.

Instead I went to war with the Sultan of Africa (which is just 2 provs in Tunisia, lol) for Naples. I'm kicking his ass, would've gotten the title, then the Ducal claim to add the 2nd prov, Capua.

Slightly better look at my army + mercs destroying the Muslims:

I see CK2 as an euro Sengoku imho. Sengoku is good tho.

A non-core CoT's negative effects are only -15% competitiveness of merchants in non-owned CoTs I think. As my trade tech is bad, high mercantilism and I have infamy from conquering China, I'm not going to win much in foreign centres of trade anyway. I needed another CoT to make all my provinces trade through my centres of trade. Pegu solved a real problem after my mess-up with national focus.

So you took most of Italy in the ~10(?) year demo.... pretty solid paradox AI

Edit: actually trying it out now, I guess you start with a good chunk of Italy actually so meh.

Holy **** ck2 is deep/complicated, holy ****

Only problem so far is the UI is like the opposite of the old game, instead of minimal and nonsensical, now its cluttered and nonsensical

Ya it's like a much improved version of Sengoku. Just lots more to do, and the UI is a bit better.

And yes DO, I added 4 provs in central Italy over 20 years (at like ~150g+prestige a pop), working on a claim for a 5th, taking 2 more from muslims (in the Sicily kingdom though), and would've gone on an excommunication rampage if I could continue, since the pope is my BFF.

I just played the CK2 demo for a few minutes and had absolutely nfi what was going on, gonna have to wait for the full thread so someone can explain wtf the game is about to me

noob

man this demo is so good, making me want full ck2 REAL BAD

Found on the paradox forums how to play any char: you pick one of the regular 4, press Play, and right after (while it's loading), click on a different char to switch (you'll hear the selection noise again)

And also how to roll back the start date to play for longer: go to the 'common' folder, edit the text files defines.txt and bookmarks.txt. There is a starting date in each one, you can change to whatever you want. Only problem is there are fewer and fewer dynasties available to play as you go further back (every other count gets filled in with randomly generated characters), and some of the kings and such don't actually have land so their kingdom disappears :S

how do you get the pope to excomm someomne? I gave him landed title to get 100 relations quick and try it but I don't see the option to do it.

what will be better do you guys reckon, CK2, or Magna Mundi?