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1 year of war taxes will give you 1.48 war exhaustion by the end, right? (1 to start with + .1 per month - 0.06 per month due to ruler) So,
+1.48% revolt risk
+7.4% stability cost
+14.8% ship building/regiment recruiting time
-.29% yearly legitimacy

Seems like a pretty good trade-off for 50% EXTRA TAXES HOLY ****.

Also, how do you deal with the tech gap as Hindustan? I'm reading up on tech levels and it sounds like Indian cultures really get ****ed:

Holy ****, you have to be 25 levels behind someone (20 if you're already Muslim, Ottoman, or Eastern) just to level up to their tech group? That sounds like a tough gap to overcome.

True but war exhaustion goes up from other things too. Also that -.06 from ruler depends on what your rulers administration stat is. Casualties in battle, attrition, provinces being occupied, and blockades all add to War Exhaustion too.

I haven't found out yet. So far I've been fighting other indians with the odd oriental thrown in. Not looking forward to seeing my first European. To give you an idea it is currently 1522 and my government tech is 11, land is 8 and everything else is 6 or 7.

EDIT: Also India is a pain in the ass because of how low the supply limits are. I get attrition just sitting in my provinces. Had to take my preferred stack size of 16 down to 12 for all my armies.

EDIT 2: Just checked the ledger, Europeans are at levels 15-18 in all techs. So I'm about 40 levels behind Euros right now. Maybe I'll see if I can get euro to buy a ****ty province off me so i can westernize.

Right, I'm just thinking about war taxes in isolation though. While war exhaustion might get bad from other sources, that's pretty harmless stuff in exchange for making a ****ton of money.

That tech stuff sounds ****ty (supply limits too). I saw an AAR on the Paradox forums where someone played the Iroquois and are dominating the world, no clue how he pulled that off.

War taxes actually used to be banned in multiplayer because they were so exploity with all the bonuses and such, you could just run fake wars for the bonuses. They made war taxes more painful though so now its w/e.

Also, Daer, imo the best move for you is to get mil access through mamluks, war algiers, and get a province from them that borders portugal.

Also, westernization is even worse than u realize coming from indians. Even once u get western tech and are fully westernized u still need to modernize military to get latin units, and iirc u need max centralization and an admin 7 ruler. So if you hit a run of terrible rulers, you might be stuck with latin tech but still indian units

As natives u basically sit back and "tech," change government type, and get sliders ready, until eventually europeans colonize next to you, then hope to survive long enough to westernize. After that its EZ mode. Not sure if you ever noticed the "neighbor bonus" (normally not more than 5-10) tech modifier that helps boost your tech in areas that you are behind based on what your "neighbors" have. Well, your neighbors are your tech group, not your actual neighbors. So as soon as you modernize you will get like +100 neighbor bonuses in every tech because you are so far behind. Combined with the fact that the AI by that point will have 30+ inflation while you have 0, even though you start way behind in tech, you likely finish as tech leader.

Why?

Gives him a province next to Latin tech which allows him to modernize. He could also just get a border with Ottomans but that only lets him modernize 2x instead of all the way to Latin. Europeans seem to refuse like 100% of the time that you try to sell them a province unless its connected to them by land

To westernize, you need to be bordering a westernized nation (western europe's 'Latin' tech group, or someone from a lesser group who's already done the process). Having that neighbour be weak and/or isolated from your main core area is ideal, since with their higher tech levels they stand a better chance of beating you up (esp for much worse tech groups like Indian/Muslim).

Boooo, that's so gamey!

So you don't have to go Indian -> Muslim -> Eastern -> Western, you can just go Indian -> Western as long as you have a border with a Western nation?

No you still have to go Indian>Muslim>Eastern>Western.

I'm currently Muslim tech.

I tried selling a province to a Euro OPM but none would bite. So I tried the Ottomans, they accepted but wtf, those bastards are only 21 techs ahead. **** I just leveled up 2 more techs that were on the brink! Try a Euro nation again. Naples accepts! ****ing idiots.

So I'm still in Hindustan, I have a Ottoman province on my coast but its currently occupied by rebels so it porbably will go Independent soon and I'll just reconquer. But I also have a Naples province on my border. They are currently 48 techs ahead Gonna try to speed rush through the tech levels. Hopefully the AI is ******ed when it comes to westernizing since the Naples province is on the border with a couple oriental nations around it.

Plus when I was getting by stability back up I got a +2 stability event so I'm currently at +1 stab. As soon as I hit +3 I can move up to Eastern.

I play another game as Holland -> Netherlands on MP. Hansa is bigger than me and to my northeast and basically all HRE is vassal or PU or some other form of something with bad big players that will pwn me if I go to war. I might be able to take Hansa (have 43k troops, 1470) but I don't see benefit for now. So I focused on colonialism but Castille warred to kill my boat so I wouldn't get to carribean and basically will DOW me any time I go towards Carribean. England wants North America and is my ally though he's not very strong.

Current problem: I have Mutapa/Swahili and vassalized Adala/Ethiopia. So all my 40k troops are in Africa. And I lost like 20 boats by being stupid (left them in attrition and forgot about them) so all I have is a bunch of transports. With all my troops in SE Africa, Castille told me "sell me Canarias for 100 or I DOW you". He had military access to me but took it away fast. Canarias was fully developed, 6 years away from coring and had lvl 2 tax building and lvl 1 fort. I didn't want to. England was supposed to protect my sea lanes. Spain DOW'd very quickly without negotiation and England ****ing lost all his fleet to him in the naval battle. So now I'm ****ed. IDK what to do. Tips?

Save game: http://www.mediafire.com/?bbasrrom7dtogum

EDIT: Spain has been trigger happy all game. He's very war-mongering but it seems noone really cares except for England. France and Austria or Milan and Austria seem to go at it every so often and Hansa is just kicking back. Russia is a bitch but he's far so IDC.

If someone is being a trigger happy war monger then they probably have made a few enemies; you could try asking them for some help. But if it's only the Canaries then it might not be too bad of a loss. Can always get another base in west Africa and prepare for the next round.

Really though it's not a good idea to be spread all over the place, it makes warring very hard, esp in MP, since you have to be constantly looking around everywhere. Take the game nonfiction mentioned on the first page where I was Poland, fighting his Ottomans and the Dutch together. I had to focus mainly on the Ottomans, and got used to the long marches between eastern provs. When I was needed to fight the Dutch I had to issue my orders, look back over at the Ottoman situation, look back, etc. But the marching times between west German/Dutch area provs are so short and djstu was able to focus on that small area 100%, I ended up getting outmanoeuvered and having to retreat, when I should have won handily.

Same thing goes doubly for naval battles and colonies - naval especially, since the mechanics are so bad in eu3 (basically have more large ships = win). Need to be able to pay a lot of attention. So I probably wouldn't worry about being shut out of the carribean, especially if you're already going for Africa.

Update on my Burgundy game:

1529 and I am uber:








Spain if the only other country worth a damn. They're guaranteeing Great Britain (who I have HRE missions against), are allied with Zapotec (who they just got released from Aztec in a war - I waited too long to take them cause of infamy), and are leading a PU with Sweden. I just started converting, which is why my stability is crap (also imagine how much higher my income will be when religion is fixed up), but if I ever go back to that game then I'll probably wage an epic war vs Spain+Sweden+GB.

Also whoever was questioning Free Trade, take a look at the incomes of Brittany and Holland. Both are my vassals but both are free traders, so still making good bank for themselves. Here is Holland's income page, for example:

how can you see this screen (the balance of another country ?)

When you select your savegame just select another country. You can play any country you want on any savegame.

Oh did not know that, ty.

In other news I am definitely in for the next MP session, I think!
eagerly reading this one's reports

Make sure you grab the savegame and try out playing as Sweden (or another nonplayer country if you want although I don't think are are any other good ones around) to see what their situation is like. I'm guessing Sweden might get edited a bit depending on what the situation is.

Latest savegame:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1LG62RCR

Oh I meant the next game you guys will start from the scratch, I don't feel skilled enough to play with the big boys just yet!

Hi, Flyingbanana's friend here.

Early he said i hadn't fixed my issues. He can now be labelled a despicable liar who is not to be trusted. The graphics issue has been fixed and i've tested multiplayer with him and no drops in over 3 hours of play. So happy to play as Sweden on saturday if you'll have me.

Problem is, me and Flyingbanana have to go to bonfire night stuff at 19:00 (GMT) which is 14:00 on the American East Coast so would only be able to play 3ish hours unless you started earlier.

Cool, you should get on hamachi to discuss stuff with the glorious Hansa republic since you cant pm me on here yet and vice versa

I might need a sub for that holland game in the last hour of the game tonight, starting at about 11pm eastern. If someone's down holla on himachi.

Also I can't start before 10:30-11am eastern time.

11 am EST this week I assume?

i hope so

ya