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Old 04-03-2008, 10:20 PM   #101
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For people just starting, something like mining/skinning is pretty foolproof. I would think (though I'm no WoW expert; highest lvl char of mine is a 62 hunter) that it's easier to level if these are your professions because you don't have to spend as much time in town bargain hunting; you can be out questing and many quests will have you killing some species that can be skinned or are near veins. It seems more efficient that way, imo. And if the market prices are higher than average for mats, I think it'd be better for you to have gathering professions than crafting. When the market is low, you can justs store your stuff till it goes higher.
Gathering professions are definitely better for a starting player since they take no initial gold investment, and because mats generally sell very well. Or you can do mining/enchanting like I did, which I heard is the profession choice for gold farmers.

The WoW market has this weird characteristic that many products actually sell for less than the combined cost of the mats. This is unlike real life where a product's cost is the cost of its material plus a premium to cover labor, etc. I've determined that it's likely due to two factors:
1) There's more demand for base materials than finished products. You can always turn mats -> product, but you can't do product -> mats.
2) I think the bigger reason is that skilling up has value. When a crafter sells his product at a loss, he's effectively paying the difference (sell price - cost of mats) as the price to skill up. This is why you sometimes will see enchanters who will pay you to let them do an enchant (with your mats of course).
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Old 04-03-2008, 10:57 PM   #102
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There's also:

3) There are BoP crafted items, meaning there is an additional incentive to go into crafting even if crafting is unprofitable
4) Lots of people just like making swords even if it's not profitable
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Old 04-03-2008, 11:45 PM   #103
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Why would gold farmers use enchanting?
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:23 AM   #104
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Why would gold farmers use enchanting?
To DE greens.
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:32 AM   #105
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They would need to level up their enchanting a lot to do that now.
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:43 AM   #106
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That is true. I guess they'd need level 300 enchanting to be able to DE everything, and 275 to DE all the possible greens. Considering how efficient they are at what they do, I'd assume that at least some of them have run a calculation to figure out (benefit of DEing - cost) vs (benefit from other profession like skinning) etc etc. I'd also think that leveling enchanting to 300 isn't quite as expensive as some people make it out to be if you do it the right way, though it's still by no means cheap. I'd guess in the long run, the ability to turn greens (which don't sell well) into dusts/essences/shards (which sell quickly) would quickly overshadow the fixed cost of leveling enchanting from 1-300. Especially considering how many hours one of these farmers probably grinds.
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:35 AM   #107
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:36 AM   #108
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Dazarath the farmers arent efficient at all, the players cant even read english, they get the talents and such that are outlined for them.

EDIT: a lot of them undersell things by a ton because they have to make x amount of gold in their shift, so they would just vendor greens imo.
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Old 04-04-2008, 02:33 AM   #109
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Successfully ran BFD tonight with a 40 warrior as our tank. Was pretty fun and I did the quests that went with it. Was pretty fun but took a while.

I'm still a bit overwhelmed at all the quests there are to do in this game. It becomes a bit boring when you just run around killing certain monsters and stuff over and over again.
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Old 04-04-2008, 03:59 AM   #110
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oh, i realize that if someone had four accounts and was playing them at once, there's nothing against that. but that's not what he was doing.
What was he doing? There is a fairly large community of people that multibox WoW and use equipment that sends signals to each client, like pressing 1 on a keyboard sends it to 4 wow clients. If they are all stacked almost perfectly, this is what they are doing. If they were bots then they would be spread out more. People clear instances with their own team and do arena this way.
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Old 04-04-2008, 06:30 AM   #111
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i think id actually enjoy wow a lot more multiboxing, but i dont have two PCs and dont really need them, and i feel like that'd be a lot of money to invest in a video game. but it definitely sucks as youre leveling up, as happened again tonight, to get stuck with some clown who has no idea what hes doing, and to basically have to coach them through every step of what youre doing. even just 2, like a basic tank/healer combo would be pretty sweet.
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Old 04-04-2008, 11:47 AM   #112
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How can the clones mimic the original guys gear?
fairly sure they're doing the same quest simultaneously, so they all get the same rewards and all have the same gear.
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Old 04-04-2008, 11:52 AM   #113
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What was he doing? There is a fairly large community of people that multibox WoW and use equipment that sends signals to each client, like pressing 1 on a keyboard sends it to 4 wow clients. If they are all stacked almost perfectly, this is what they are doing. If they were bots then they would be spread out more. People clear instances with their own team and do arena this way.
i've never heard of signals sent to other clients, though it sounds like this is what he was doing -- i mean, it was just so synchronized it seemed wrong. the leading shammy would cast, and within half a second, the other three would all begin the same cast at the same time.
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:30 PM   #114
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fairly sure they're doing the same quest simultaneously, so they all get the same rewards and all have the same gear.
Well the gear from drops wouldnt be the same.
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What was he doing? There is a fairly large community of people that multibox WoW and use equipment that sends signals to each client, like pressing 1 on a keyboard sends it to 4 wow clients. If they are all stacked almost perfectly, this is what they are doing. If they were bots then they would be spread out more. People clear instances with their own team and do arena this way.
I'm really intrigued by this. Does anyone know more?

Edit since that was pretty stupid: I'm basically looking for the low-level details of how commands are sent to multiple clients at once. It sounds like an interesting programming problem. If anyone could point me to programs that do this, I'd appreciate it.
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I'm really intrigued by this. Does anyone know more?

Edit since that was pretty stupid: I'm basically looking for the low-level details of how commands are sent to multiple clients at once. It sounds like an interesting programming problem. If anyone could point me to programs that do this, I'd appreciate it.
This site has some multiboxers. For the guy a few posts up you don't need two pcs. My computer with a 4400 dual core can run 3 wows itself. If you wanted to run 5 accounts more than one pc is probably need/best. Some of these guys do the 5 elemental shamans, or 4 warlocks and and a paladin. The traditional group make up of tank/healer/cc/dps gets a lot harder as you have to organize and plan out all the commands much better.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Portal
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Old 04-04-2008, 05:34 PM   #117
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RE: Multi-boxing

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...drius&n=Aellei

Please note the name of the names of the 4 shamans on the right in the guild listing: Aellei, Aelli, Aellie, and Aellii. 4 elemental shamans, 1 resto druid 5v5 team with a rating over 2k. gee gee
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:13 PM   #118
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http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...drius&n=Aellei

Please note the name of the names of the 4 shamans on the right in the guild listing: Aellei, Aelli, Aellie, and Aellii. 4 elemental shamans, 1 resto druid 5v5 team with a rating over 2k. gee gee
nice, thanks for the example. the guy I was noticing had four named Toxux, Toxex, Toxax, and Toxox. I lol'd tbh, I had just never seen something like it (though I was aware of multiboxing)
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:22 PM   #119
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the multi-boxing stuff is cool, though not all that practical for the most part. playing 2 boxes as say a tank and a healer or a dps and a healer and simply clicking back and forth between the boxes can be very helpful though, especially to powerlevel your own character.
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Old 04-04-2008, 10:32 PM   #120
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yeah like, leveling up 4 shamans seems kinda silly to me -- wouldnt you get them all to 70 and then just be pissed off because you have 4 of the same character to try to equip/whatever?

whereas leveling up a warrior and a priest or whatever would be pretty sweet imo.
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:36 PM   #121
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This site has some multiboxers. For the guy a few posts up you don't need two pcs. My computer with a 4400 dual core can run 3 wows itself. If you wanted to run 5 accounts more than one pc is probably need/best.
My 2300 dual core laptop can just barely run 3 copies of wow. Windowed mode ftw!
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:14 PM   #122
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Huh, I didn't know that. My laptop in theory should be able to run two easily then, but for some reason it's a huge laggy underperforming POS (4 gb ram, 2 ghz processor, 512mb vid, cable internet... and somehow even just running one program of WoW it skips around and lags way too much). But maybe if i can sort whatever problems it has out, i'll get another account and start crushing.

i dunno if it was just growing up really enjoying pool of radiance -> baldur's gate type games or what, but i really like controlling a party.
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Huh, I didn't know that. My laptop in theory should be able to run two easily then, but for some reason it's a huge laggy underperforming POS (4 gb ram, 2 ghz processor, 512mb vid, cable internet... and somehow even just running one program of WoW it skips around and lags way too much). But maybe if i can sort whatever problems it has out, i'll get another account and start crushing.

i dunno if it was just growing up really enjoying pool of radiance -> baldur's gate type games or what, but i really like controlling a party.
Old video card drivers? Loads of malware/spywar? Vista? All of these problems could be plagueing you. You should easily be able to run a few copies of WoW. Mine don't run that well, but given my graphics chip, it never runs that well when I run one copy. < 30 fps
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:31 AM   #124
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Just hit lvl 67 last night.

Played for 6 hours. I had some quests where I had to kill 30 of each animal, 6 of them, for a total of 180 animals killed. It took forever. I also had a friend of my guild camping horde the entire time and protecting me. It was alot of fun.

That was in Nagrand. It's a pretty cool place, imo.

I hope to hit 68 by Wednesday night. I'm going to wait until Arena S2 armor set comes out and then start working on that. So after I hit 70 I'll be killing horde, doing battlegrounds, and probably running some other dungeons to work on an intermediate armor set until the newest ones come out.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:23 AM   #125
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Just hit lvl 67 last night.

Played for 6 hours. I had some quests where I had to kill 30 of each animal, 6 of them, for a total of 180 animals killed. It took forever. I also had a friend of my guild camping horde the entire time and protecting me. It was alot of fun.

That was in Nagrand. It's a pretty cool place, imo.

I hope to hit 68 by Wednesday night. I'm going to wait until Arena S2 armor set comes out and then start working on that. So after I hit 70 I'll be killing horde, doing battlegrounds, and probably running some other dungeons to work on an intermediate armor set until the newest ones come out.
Yea, that quest in Nagrand takes forever. I'd suggest going to netherstorm to finish the leveling to 70.
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