Stellaris: GOAT 4x?
03-16-2016
, 01:03 PM
Spoiler:
RELEASE DATE MAY 9
I don't normally get hyped for games but this one looks insane. Was some talk in the EU4 thread but with release date announced I figure it deserves its own thread.
What it is: a 4X/grand strategy game by Paradox, makers of the Europa Universalis, Crusader Kings, Hearts of Iron, and Victoria series, among others. On paper it looks to be the best 4X in years. While Paradox has a record of not always having the most amazing games on release (although usually still very playable), they also support them for years with new content patches, DLC/expansions, etc.
Paradox games are also very modable (for example the amazing Game of Thrones mod for CK2) so I expect pretty much every space franchise to eventually get a full conversion mod.
Dev diaries:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...rchive.882950/
Hype:
Empire creation alone made me just preorder.
03-16-2016
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, 02:19 PM
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03-17-2016
, 05:08 PM
03-18-2016
, 02:15 PM
No big deal just 44 AIs and 3 fallen empires
03-18-2016
, 02:19 PM
03-18-2016
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03-21-2016
, 11:03 AM
New dev diary:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...es-jpg.165176/
Hi folks!
It has been a very busy week for yours truly, with a load of press demos and, of course, the grand Paradox press conference in San Francisco. Meanwhile, the rest of the team has been hard at work finishing up the revised start-up screens, but that’s not what I’m going to talk about today… Instead, through the confused haze of my jet lag, I thought I’d say a few words about how to manage your population in Stellaris! As you might recall from the dev diary on Policies and Edicts, your initial choice of Empire ethos will heavily affect what you can and cannot do and what your initial population will tend to frown upon. Three of the more interesting Policies concern Migration, Slavery and Purges.
Let’s begin with Migration. There are two ways in which Pops can move between planets; spontaneous migration or resettlement. If you are playing a Fanatic Individualist empire, you must allow at least your founding species Pops to move freely as they like (there is an option to disallow alien Pops from migrating - not popular with Xenophiles.) Pops who are allowed to migrate will tend to move to planets they like better than the one they currently live on. This is not just a matter of the Planet Class, but also things like whether the planet has Slaves (which Decadent Pops like), if there are alien Pops on the planet (which Xenophobes dislike and Xenophiles like), and whether the planet lies within a Sector or the core worlds (dissidents and aliens tend to move to Sectors to live with like-minded individuals.) If another Empire is granting you migration access, your Pops will also consider migrating to their planets.
Now, unless you are playing an Individualist Empire, you can also enact a Policy to allow the forcible resettlement of Pops. This will allow you to simply move Pops between planets; at a hefty cost, of course. There is one more way to control migration; fanatic Xenophobes can enact planetary Edicts to strongly discourage xeno immigration. In the same way, fanatic Xenophiles can strongly encourage it...
So that’s basically how migration works. Next, we have Slavery. Like the migration Policies, you have three options; allow it for all Pops, xenos only, or not at all. Fanatic Individualists cannot play with Slavery unless the founding species has the Decadent trait, and only Xenophobes can limit Slavery to aliens. Why use slaves? Well, reprehensible as it is, enslaved Pops are harder workers (but poorer scientists.) Of course, slaves can - and will - join Slave Factions, although Collectivist slaves are more accepting of their lot, for the Greater Good.
Finally, let’s talk Purges, which is simply a way of getting rid of troublesome Pops… permanently. Naturally, this is something that both your own population and other Empires tend to react to rather emphatically.
That’ll have to do for now. Next week, we’re aiming for a more cheerful dev diary about sound and music!
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...es-jpg.165176/
Hi folks!
It has been a very busy week for yours truly, with a load of press demos and, of course, the grand Paradox press conference in San Francisco. Meanwhile, the rest of the team has been hard at work finishing up the revised start-up screens, but that’s not what I’m going to talk about today… Instead, through the confused haze of my jet lag, I thought I’d say a few words about how to manage your population in Stellaris! As you might recall from the dev diary on Policies and Edicts, your initial choice of Empire ethos will heavily affect what you can and cannot do and what your initial population will tend to frown upon. Three of the more interesting Policies concern Migration, Slavery and Purges.
Let’s begin with Migration. There are two ways in which Pops can move between planets; spontaneous migration or resettlement. If you are playing a Fanatic Individualist empire, you must allow at least your founding species Pops to move freely as they like (there is an option to disallow alien Pops from migrating - not popular with Xenophiles.) Pops who are allowed to migrate will tend to move to planets they like better than the one they currently live on. This is not just a matter of the Planet Class, but also things like whether the planet has Slaves (which Decadent Pops like), if there are alien Pops on the planet (which Xenophobes dislike and Xenophiles like), and whether the planet lies within a Sector or the core worlds (dissidents and aliens tend to move to Sectors to live with like-minded individuals.) If another Empire is granting you migration access, your Pops will also consider migrating to their planets.
Now, unless you are playing an Individualist Empire, you can also enact a Policy to allow the forcible resettlement of Pops. This will allow you to simply move Pops between planets; at a hefty cost, of course. There is one more way to control migration; fanatic Xenophobes can enact planetary Edicts to strongly discourage xeno immigration. In the same way, fanatic Xenophiles can strongly encourage it...
So that’s basically how migration works. Next, we have Slavery. Like the migration Policies, you have three options; allow it for all Pops, xenos only, or not at all. Fanatic Individualists cannot play with Slavery unless the founding species has the Decadent trait, and only Xenophobes can limit Slavery to aliens. Why use slaves? Well, reprehensible as it is, enslaved Pops are harder workers (but poorer scientists.) Of course, slaves can - and will - join Slave Factions, although Collectivist slaves are more accepting of their lot, for the Greater Good.
Finally, let’s talk Purges, which is simply a way of getting rid of troublesome Pops… permanently. Naturally, this is something that both your own population and other Empires tend to react to rather emphatically.
That’ll have to do for now. Next week, we’re aiming for a more cheerful dev diary about sound and music!
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Questions that were asked and answered:
grumphie: wait, so your pops will dislike you purging no matter what? even if you're purging filthy aliens and your pops are xenophobes? second question, what would be a hefty cost? does it cost a ton of recources or is it a time cost as in they'll be unproductive for a while ect.
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: 1. No, individual Pops will be react differently to it. Xenophobes won't mind you purging xenos, etc. 2. It costs both resources and takes a while.
Arrianus: What would be the upsides of ? It allows my POP's to leave my empire, but on the other hand I gain...?
**Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: You are probably giving them something else in return for the duration of the treaty, like military access, or allowing their Pops to migrate into your empire, or something else entirely.
Oh, what more do I gain? Mainly cheaper war score costs for taking planets where my Pops live, and easier integration into my empire when the time comes.**
stardude900: Looking good.
One question that might be way off topic, when you colonize a new planet, do you manually move the pop or is it a new pop generated for the colony ship?
Can a colony ship choose which type of pop is onboard?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Colony ships do not transport entire Pops, but a fraction of one. You get to choose the "parent Pop" when you build a colony ship.
Shamanist: If my pops live under evil blorg dictator somwhere in galaxy can I use that as reason for war? Save our pepole!
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Not as a CB as such, but such war goals are "cheaper".
Aldahen: Do purges have similar limitation as slavery? I.e. Your ethos dictate whom you can target? Can you in some cases purge your own species?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Yes.
September: What about Xenophobes and Alien Slaves? Does the Alien Slave Tolerance make those slaves more accepting of their lot, or is it affecting something else?
Edit: Also, can Fanatic Individualists who are Xenophobes have Alien Slaves without the Decadent trait?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: If the alien slaves are Collectivists, they will tend to accept their lot. As for your second question: yes.
karl2025: The Greater Good...
On another note, is there only one habitable world per system, or can there be multiple?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Yes, for sure, many systems have several inhabitable planets (though rarely of the exact same Planet Class.)
Jia Xu: If slaves revolt and win, what happens to them? Do they form their own empire, do they join a different empire, or does something else happen?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: They form a new empire.
Yenzen: Is the 'purge' mechanic ever a cost-effective solution or is it mostly there for flavor? Earlier you've commented that you have to rely on integrated POPs to some extend to expand, does this also include slavery? Can an xenophobic faction have a successful play if they, for instance, rely on adaptiveness trait to keep their own species population high and widespread while keeping all aliens as slaves?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Well, it can be cost effective vs Pops that radically differ in ethics, especially if they happen to be aliens in your fanatically xenophobic empire. For your second question, yes.
September: Ah, so it is the Ethics of the slaves, not the slaverowners that's important for that. What does the bonus from Xenophobe (Alien Slavery Tolerance) do then?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: If the other Pops on the planet are Xenophobes, they won't get unhappy if there are alien slaves there.
Chopak: When your pops migrate to another empire they are still your empire pops or they are now that second empire pops?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: They become citizens of that empire.
BrokenSky: Out of interest, how important is happiness?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Happiness is pretty crucial. Unhappy Pops are less efficient and will join Factions.
QDI: How do you acquire slaves?
When you take another planet, you have the option to enslave and resettle the population? Or can you raid for slaves? Can you buy and sell them?
If you say "Yes, yes and yes", I'll send you cookies right away.
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: You click the Pop and choose "Enslave".
grumphie: wait, so your pops will dislike you purging no matter what? even if you're purging filthy aliens and your pops are xenophobes? second question, what would be a hefty cost? does it cost a ton of recources or is it a time cost as in they'll be unproductive for a while ect.
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: 1. No, individual Pops will be react differently to it. Xenophobes won't mind you purging xenos, etc. 2. It costs both resources and takes a while.
Arrianus: What would be the upsides of ? It allows my POP's to leave my empire, but on the other hand I gain...?
**Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: You are probably giving them something else in return for the duration of the treaty, like military access, or allowing their Pops to migrate into your empire, or something else entirely.
Oh, what more do I gain? Mainly cheaper war score costs for taking planets where my Pops live, and easier integration into my empire when the time comes.**
stardude900: Looking good.
One question that might be way off topic, when you colonize a new planet, do you manually move the pop or is it a new pop generated for the colony ship?
Can a colony ship choose which type of pop is onboard?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Colony ships do not transport entire Pops, but a fraction of one. You get to choose the "parent Pop" when you build a colony ship.
Shamanist: If my pops live under evil blorg dictator somwhere in galaxy can I use that as reason for war? Save our pepole!
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Not as a CB as such, but such war goals are "cheaper".
Aldahen: Do purges have similar limitation as slavery? I.e. Your ethos dictate whom you can target? Can you in some cases purge your own species?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Yes.
September: What about Xenophobes and Alien Slaves? Does the Alien Slave Tolerance make those slaves more accepting of their lot, or is it affecting something else?
Edit: Also, can Fanatic Individualists who are Xenophobes have Alien Slaves without the Decadent trait?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: If the alien slaves are Collectivists, they will tend to accept their lot. As for your second question: yes.
karl2025: The Greater Good...
On another note, is there only one habitable world per system, or can there be multiple?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Yes, for sure, many systems have several inhabitable planets (though rarely of the exact same Planet Class.)
Jia Xu: If slaves revolt and win, what happens to them? Do they form their own empire, do they join a different empire, or does something else happen?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: They form a new empire.
Yenzen: Is the 'purge' mechanic ever a cost-effective solution or is it mostly there for flavor? Earlier you've commented that you have to rely on integrated POPs to some extend to expand, does this also include slavery? Can an xenophobic faction have a successful play if they, for instance, rely on adaptiveness trait to keep their own species population high and widespread while keeping all aliens as slaves?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Well, it can be cost effective vs Pops that radically differ in ethics, especially if they happen to be aliens in your fanatically xenophobic empire. For your second question, yes.
September: Ah, so it is the Ethics of the slaves, not the slaverowners that's important for that. What does the bonus from Xenophobe (Alien Slavery Tolerance) do then?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: If the other Pops on the planet are Xenophobes, they won't get unhappy if there are alien slaves there.
Chopak: When your pops migrate to another empire they are still your empire pops or they are now that second empire pops?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: They become citizens of that empire.
BrokenSky: Out of interest, how important is happiness?
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: Happiness is pretty crucial. Unhappy Pops are less efficient and will join Factions.
QDI: How do you acquire slaves?
When you take another planet, you have the option to enslave and resettle the population? Or can you raid for slaves? Can you buy and sell them?
If you say "Yes, yes and yes", I'll send you cookies right away.
Doomdark/Henrik Fåhraeus: You click the Pop and choose "Enslave".
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04-11-2016
, 09:56 AM
Dev diary on pops and elections
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Greetings fellow Spacers!
Today’s dev diary is about Pop Factions and Elections, which might sound like two wildly different topics, but they actually have some common ground. Let’s start with the Pop Factions. Now, as you know, each individual unit of population (a.k.a. “Pop”), has its own race, ethos and possibly even genetic differences compared to its species of origin. People who live far from the capital world of an empire - especially those who live in Administrative Sectors - tend to diverge in their Ethics over time. When you combine this with alien immigration and the conquest of alien worlds, you will soon have to deal with a potentially explosive mix of cultural diversity. As your empire grows, it will get harder and harder to keep everyone happy and your core group of loyalists might eventually find itself a minority. Discontent can manifest in two ways; the happiness of an individual Pop, and the growth of “Factions”, a type of political movement.
Today’s dev diary is about Pop Factions and Elections, which might sound like two wildly different topics, but they actually have some common ground. Let’s start with the Pop Factions. Now, as you know, each individual unit of population (a.k.a. “Pop”), has its own race, ethos and possibly even genetic differences compared to its species of origin. People who live far from the capital world of an empire - especially those who live in Administrative Sectors - tend to diverge in their Ethics over time. When you combine this with alien immigration and the conquest of alien worlds, you will soon have to deal with a potentially explosive mix of cultural diversity. As your empire grows, it will get harder and harder to keep everyone happy and your core group of loyalists might eventually find itself a minority. Discontent can manifest in two ways; the happiness of an individual Pop, and the growth of “Factions”, a type of political movement.
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Unhappy Pops will tend to join or start the most appropriate Faction, depending on the reasons for their discontent. The most basic (and probably most dangerous) type of Faction is the Separatists, who desire independence. There are actually three Separatist variations; some want freedom for a single planet, some want their Sector to secede, and some are integrated aliens who seek the restoration of their lost empire. Another important Faction is the Democracy Faction, whose member Pops might prefer a change of Government Form, or just the right to vote (for example in the case of alien Pops who are denied the vote through a Policy.) There are other Factions as well, but one thing they all have in common is that you can actually deal with them before things get violent. This is an important use for Influence (and sometimes Energy Credits.) For example, you could bribe the Faction leader to prevent a revolt for a time, or you could grant a Separatist Faction limited independence as a vassal state. There are different potential actions depending on which type of Faction it is.
This brings us to Elections and how they tie into the overall scheme. All of the Democratic Government Forms in the game have Elections, though the terms might vary. One difference between the various forms of democracy is which leader characters are the most valid and supported candidates for the chief executive office. In a Military Republic, for example, your Admirals and Generals tend to win the elections. However, all of the Faction leaders are also valid candidates; even the ones who seek independence for their species. If a Faction leader wins an election, that does not mean that their demands are immediately met, however. Instead, what happens is that the Faction becomes passive and will not revolt, which is great for you. Unfortunately, it also increases the attraction of the Faction, which means that it is likely to get far more member Pops…
This brings us to Elections and how they tie into the overall scheme. All of the Democratic Government Forms in the game have Elections, though the terms might vary. One difference between the various forms of democracy is which leader characters are the most valid and supported candidates for the chief executive office. In a Military Republic, for example, your Admirals and Generals tend to win the elections. However, all of the Faction leaders are also valid candidates; even the ones who seek independence for their species. If a Faction leader wins an election, that does not mean that their demands are immediately met, however. Instead, what happens is that the Faction becomes passive and will not revolt, which is great for you. Unfortunately, it also increases the attraction of the Faction, which means that it is likely to get far more member Pops…
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Does the player have any direct control over Election outcomes? Yes, you can spend Influence in order to campaign for the candidate of your choice, but it’s not a sure thing, and the cost can be prohibitive if the candidate enjoys little popular support.
The main point of the Faction system is that big empires should become unstable and challenging to keep together. You should see a lot of dynamism in the galaxy, with many big empires descending into civil wars and breaking up. Of course, a lot of this depends on your choice of Ethics and general play style (using slavery and purges, etc), which trades internal stability for increased external pressure…
That’s all for now folks! Stay tuned for next week...
The main point of the Faction system is that big empires should become unstable and challenging to keep together. You should see a lot of dynamism in the galaxy, with many big empires descending into civil wars and breaking up. Of course, a lot of this depends on your choice of Ethics and general play style (using slavery and purges, etc), which trades internal stability for increased external pressure…
That’s all for now folks! Stay tuned for next week...
