Drop some vitality for str/crit/ias/crit damage and you should be good. You really don't need 50k hp, but you definitely need more than 20k dps.

Sorry, I assumed those stats were with Warcry on. If it's not, then yeah you def need more all res.

For comparison, my stats. I only really die when I have lag issues, or I get caught by a nasty jailer + desecrator elite with WOTB on CD. Unbuffed obv.

Thanks, I'll do some tweaking and give it a whirl(wind).

Having a Mighty Weapon as a main hand is amazing for keeping fury up (with Weapons Master). Obviously there is a trade-off with not having the extra 10% crit chance from a mace/axe but you should try it out if you're having fury problems.

I just recently recklessly threw 25M into a barbarian with no clue what I was doing ha ha. The results were pretty terrible. Right now I rock a Mace and a Shield and run a non-whirlwind build. A3 is giving me fits, I can manage most of A2 just fine except for some elites affixes and I can't out LoH and DPS Baelei(?).

Unbuffed my resists and armor are solid. But my HP and DPS are pretty pitiful. I can change my spec around and add tough as nails and add another 2k armor and 4k thorns so reach basically 10k armor unbuffed, but that gimps my DPS a bit more too. With warcry I can get my armor to 10k and my resists all around 1.05k-1.2k.

Between the thorns, my high armor, resists, and LoH. I don't really have a problem with being easily killed. My DPS is just terrible.

My crap setup also gives me no MF or GF.

I guess I like the tanking playstyle and in 4 player games, I can be the tip of the spear for the group and it's ok. But, on elites my lack of HPs get burned trhough quick even with my resists, armor, and loh.

Any recs on a type of playstyle that would fit this gear? I really don't want to farm for days again to be able to upgrade this guy.



I'm using a crap shield and weapon and that is probably the problem. If I switched to dual wield, I'd loose 1500 armor and some stats, but, I'd probably gain 70% more crit dmg (or more if I can get a great weapon), and some additional other dps.

Should I look to max out my crit chance? Like if I can get my crit chance to 40%, will that make a noticeable jump in my DPS, push me close to 25k?

Is your weapon dps really low or something? I have similar strength, cc, and cd and have close to 30k dps

can someone explain or link me to a guide that shows exactly how to set up a double tornado barb with infinite WotB? a lot of what i found googling was confusing and there was conflicting info from post to post. I think the only thing i would need to get set up equipment wise is a dagger with 700 LOH, crit and a socket. It looks like i can get something like that for about 1 mil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iXSpDeVsO4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJQOsY_5_D4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxoCjzETlyU

thanks

If you really sacrifice on the dps on the offhand you can find a good stat stick for cheap. Try to look for something with also a good amount of str, vit on top of the other stats. Anything with decent AS will work fine, it doesn't have to be a dagger.

I found a dagger last night with str, vit, 700 LoH, 50ish crit and a socket with 400 dps that i should have pulled the trigger on but I thought the dps was too low. Would that be better than a 6-700 dps with not str or vit?

Yes, the DPS is not all that important, since the tornadoes from sprint use your MH damage. IIRC if you are using an overpower based build, the DPS can be almost totally ignored since you never actually end up attacking with your OH.

I'm not really sure what I'm looking for with an OH, but I realized earlier tonight that my OH might be hurting me a little bit in that it is a 1.3 speed weapon.

The problem that I'm finding is that my current OH has 235 Str.

How much is it going to hurt me to find another OH either without Str or one with a lot less? I'm trying to find a good value for an OH, preferably a dagger with the 1.5 speed, or a sword with IAS.

The problem is that when I look for Crit Dmg, LoH (607 filter), Str, and Socket, I'm not really finding anything that I can snag for some good value.

@TheRempel - after looking at your OH you have basically no extra stats on it. I'm having a hard time telling my brain that the OH dps doesn't matter.

Right now on the AH I'm looking at a Sword with 1.54 speed, 449.7 DPS, +872 LoH, +42 Crit Dmg and a 60% crit dmg gem for 1.3 mil. Seems like good value to me, but I can't bring myself to pull the trigger losing 235 Str and Int and having a lower damage range.

EDIT: Looking at a DPS calc. going with the above OH I'm going to lose almost 5400 dps.

DPS calc doesnt work too well for off hand though. Its best to first find something with 1.4+ AS, around 175+ stats str/vit (str usually way more important), 650ish+ loh, 50+crit, socket, then see how much dps you can afford.

The DPS calc I'm using is 99.9% accurate as far as what my character sheet is showing. How it actually works within the WW spec, I don't know how accurate my DPS is and/or matters since the abilities work mainly through the MH weapon.

Here is my profile again, specifically looking at my OH: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/D...90/hero/770581

It's hard to give up 235 Str.

What do you mean when you say "175+ stats str/vit"?

I want to make sure that when I make a purchase, I'm not going to end up gimping myself in Act 3.

I meant combined str/vit. Your off hand is fine for your current situation. I think it would be better to upgrade your gems first, and get some AR on gloves/bracers and maybe some LOH on ammy.

I do have LoH on my amulet (+371).

I found a dagger tonight that was 1.5 aps, 40% dmg, +83 str., 879.9 dps, and it felt like my fury was going up much higher with the 1.5 aps.

That is why I feel like my OH has been holding me back a bit. The new dagger didn't have LoH. It had LoK so I couldnt' really accurately compare how much better it was, but fury-wise, it seemed better.

I do need a better gem in my OH. The +34 Str gem in my chest is only there because I ran out of rubies to make the +46 gem.

How much should I upgrade them?

I definitely need AR on my gloves and bracers. I was regearing into Crit Chance so I gave up some AR for that. I think my boots need a good upgrade as well.

I've just been trying to focus on one thing at a time and today I decided, after playing a few minutes with that dagger, that my OH was probably the most important thing atm.

I don't have a lot of gold flowing in so I need to be cautious on what needs upgraded first.

Yah sorry missed the loh, your ammy is more than fine for now. Upgrade the off hand to 70% and give up some crit chance on the bracers for some AR, the crafted ones cap at 4.5 so you can probably find a good deal around there.

Alright, cool. Thanks.

I just upgraded the OH gem to 70%. I'll have to look around for bracers.

I definitely would like a faster OH, but maybe the AR is more important right now. The bracers give me a good start at least.

here's my barb since I got asked a few times.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/K...01/hero/413620

My other "real" ring is in the stash, adds about 15k dps and 60 all res. the dps was logged unbuffed (not sure if everyones unbuffed in the profiles, I think it saves at a random moment and if you were buffed it puts that, its stupid. I see a friends barb at 280k dps O_o)


My next upgrades are gonna be

A: to get a 3 socket tyrael replacement instead of +armor while keeping high % demon damage, and hopefully not 300+ millions >.<

B: Ice climbers with 200+ str and decent other randoms (movespeed one time), if I find an awesome pair of ice climbers with a ton of good mods but not movespeed I might buy them, and try to get a crazy good lacuni instead for the move speed.

just hit 4 paragon, its pretty fun. I still swap 4 or 5 pieces of MF on elite kills which kind of slows me down and is annoying, but probly worth it.

Oh yah ms boots is not needed anymore with tyraels + lacuni. I'm definitely going to try and go for that combination now and get a sick pair of ice climbers with no ms. Cant believe I didn't think of that before, but ms and boots just seems standard.

most people prefer a good IK armor over tyraels tho. I guess ik armor +lacuni/ms ice climbers work just as fine...

not sure which cost more since both good lacunis and ice climbers cost a ton

I picked up a new MH today, it was a sword with 1.4 APS and found it was way too fast for a MH. My DPS went up about 13k with the added 15% damage from Weapons Master, but it was just draining fury.

So I went back and found a mace with 1.2 APS and with the extra crit, my DPS went up even more. I now have something like 64k buffed DPS and the game is so much better. I kill everything faster and the fury drain has equalized a little bit.

QUESTION: My OH (1.3 APS) has 235 Str. and I really don't want to give that up, but it's hard to find a comparable OH with 235 and at least 607 LoH. If I find a Dagger with 1.5 APS, would I be able to cut back on the LoH a little bit? If I'm swinging .2 APS faster, then the LoH would be effectively higher, wouldn't it? Or doesn't it work that way?

Anybody going Tyrael's/Lacuni (kirby?) want to take these off my hands?