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Old 04-20-2007, 12:39 AM   #46
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Re: Serious Discussion about Poker Bots, PokerTracker, HUDs, etc.

Define "PT" and HUD so I have a better idea of what your talking about. So much shorthand nowadays. Not all of us are aware of the lingo.
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:37 AM   #47
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I'm still not hearing the difference between them that makes them on different moral levels.

Poker sites T&C's allow one, but doesn't allow the other. That simple.
Read the thread, I already responded to the exact same comment. This is a moral question, not rules.
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:37 AM   #48
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Define "PT" and HUD so I have a better idea of what your talking about. So much shorthand nowadays. Not all of us are aware of the lingo.
PT = Poker Tracker
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Old 04-20-2007, 07:03 AM   #49
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Mostly PT is only good for recognizing who's tight and who's loose. Not worth much for in depth analysis of style.
You need to refresher course in PT. The position tab alone gives you a ton of information of what a player's tendencies are by seat including hand ranges, etc. To be able to process that in real-time as the hand is going on would allow for stronger reads, etc. You really underestimate the power of PT and the data set.
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Read the thread, I already responded to the exact same comment. This is a moral question, not rules.
It is an ethical question, not a moral one.
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Old 04-20-2007, 07:25 AM   #51
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PT and HUDs are acceptable because the poker sites allow them. Bots are not allowed because poker sites do not allow them.
This is an argument from authority which is at best weak.
No it's not, an argument from authority would be like "<guy that knows a lot about morality> says X, so X". When you sign up for a site you explicitly agree to their terms and conditions. Using PT or a HUD doesn't violate those terms, using a bot does.
Strictly speaking I grant your objection. However, OP wrote:
"why [are] PT and HUDs considered ok by the community while bots are not?"

To answer that that it is because of the room's rules does not address why the community thinks bots cross a line. To say that the line is the room's rule is essentially to say the community doesn't like bots b/c the rooms don't allow them. I don't think that really gets to why one might be opposed to bots.

Or to put it another way, are you saying that if the rooms allowed them and you had one you would use it and you would be cool with others doing the same? And your reason would be "b/c the rooms allow it"?

Just asking.
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Old 04-20-2007, 08:49 AM   #52
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Read the thread, I already responded to the exact same comment. This is a moral question, not rules.
It is an ethical question, not a moral one.
Definitions of moral on the Web:
* relating to principles of right and wrong; i.e. to morals or ethics; "moral philosophy"

Definitions of ethics on the Web:
* ethical motive: motivation based on ideas of right and wrong
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