Chimpanzee Fight Question From El Diablo

[David Sklansky]

"What odds would you set on a UFC world champion (your choice, answer for any or many weight classes) vs a 100 pound chimpanzee?"

Assuming the chimpanzee knew it was in a fight from the git go, the answer would depend on whether there are some lethal or semi lethal blows that the human is aware of. I don't know about that. If there isn't, the chimpanzee is the dead nuts.

[cschumer]

sorry i cant stop laughing

[Harv72b]

"Can't I fight human-style? By slowly poisoning his environment?"

[jfk]

If the chimp were allowed to bite, scratch, gouge, etc. perhaps it would have a chance. Otherwise, the human fighter would have too much of a skill edge to lose. It would stand to reason that this edge would grow when moving up in weight class.

No doubt that chimps are going to be enormously strong but the amount of skill that a UFC type could bring to bear would be decisive.

A friend once had an involuntary battle with a full grown, adult orangutan when he went into a Malaysian preserve earlier than the guide's scheduled arrival. Though the orangutan was tough, my buddy eventually got the best of it.

Per his retelling, the orangutan had him by all four limbs, at which time they took to wrestling. The orangutan constantly bared its teeth, but never brought them into the fray. Certainly, had the orangutan had more malice in him it could've been ugly, but even in a determined pitched battle, my untrained friend was able to beat it away. From what I gather orangutans are more formidable than chimps if considering mass. Temperment would be a bit of a wild card.

To Sklansky's point, when my friend recounted the story to the guides, they were skeptical that man could beat ape, especially when he pointed out the alleged offender (which they later spotted). So anecdotally, at least in a Malysian game preserve, it is commonly thought that the simian would have an insurmountable edge, though this test case showed otherwise.

For more amusing monkey stories, seek out Tom Wolfe's "The Right Stuff". Apparently the space program chimps were real bastards.

[David Sklansky]

Your friend got the orangutan to retreat. I doubt though that it would win a fight to the death.

[selurah]

Meh, I know chimps are extremely strong given their size, but I think people underestimate how lethal some of these top UFC/Pride guys are. Top UFC/Pride fighters I *think take apart a chimp rather easily.

*I'm just guessing but IMO.

Not to sidetrack but new question: How much of a chance does the baddest UFC/Pride fighter out there (Liddell, CroCop, Fedor, etc.) stand against a full grown Gorilla (silverback?)? Opinions?

[Kilillan]

I actually think you people are underestimating exactly how strong those things are. They're very, very strong.

[Supwithbates]

chimps are stronger than humans, even UFC champions

[kdotsky]

People are underestimating the techniques used in ultimate fighting, particularly the submission holds.

If you've seen the original UFC's (1-4), nobody knew which martial arts actually worked and there were no weight classes or time limits. In these matches it became very evident how effective jujitsu is when a 170lb guy named Royce Gracie defeated opponents much larger and more athletic.

Nowadays, all the UFC fighters know what martial arts and techniques work and essentially use the same techniques (jujitsu/wrestling on ground and Mui-Thai kickboxing on feet). Therefore in the fights you see there's a lot of subtle defensive moves going on, and it's more striking lately (also due to the rules, judges decisions, and timelimits).

My points is that most people have no idea how effective jujitsu is on an untrained opponent. I have experience with this. A jujitsu expert could probably beat any untrained human on the planet in a life and death scenario.

The same submissions can be applied to a chimp, since their body is pretty similar to a human's.

[TyFuji]

bubbles - yes
king kong - no

[pete fabrizio]

"Can a 90-lb. chimp clobber a full-grown man?"
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_001b.html

Money quote: "In tests at the Bronx Zoo in 1924, a dynamometer--a scale that measures the mechanical force of a pull on a spring--was erected in the monkey house. A 165-pound male chimpanzee named "Boma" registered a pull of 847 pounds, using only his right hand (although he did have his feet braced against the wall, being somewhat hip, in his simian way, to the principles of leverage). A 165-pound man, by comparison, could manage a one-handed pull of about 210 pounds. Even more frightening, a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds."

[David Sklansky]

I already answered the question. Aside from a well placed eye gouge from the human, the chimp is the DEAD NUTS if he feels he is fighting to the death. Besides being strong enough to rip the guys head completely off, there is the fact that his REACH is twice that of the man and that he has hands that can GRIP on the ends of his LEGS.

[Kilillan]

let's see a jujitsu master put a chokehold on a monkey that can pull 1000 pounds.

puhlease

[kdotsky]

I only meant to point out that the UFC figher's abilities are probably underestimated, just as others were pointing out that a chimp's strength is underestimated.

I do think if certain chokes were fully set, the chimp could not get out. But the human could probably not get in this scenario in the first place.

A choke or submission would be more likely to work than some sort of "fatal blow" as was originally suggested.

[TheOneWizard]

I think one consideration is does the UFC Champion know about the fight beforehand and hence have time to prepare a specific strategy? For that matter why can't he simply cheat and bring a gun? Chimps can't do that.