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Originally Posted by Snipe
Serious question - what are your thoughts on seemingly nitty TAG's who manage to 3b the **** outta you (you know who you are unkle_****us). What is your preferred method of dealing with assclowns who feel it's their duty to god to defend their blinds with ATC? 4b light? Call IP with anything that plays well? Shove a polarized range?
How do you go about determining their range as they are often complete spazztards.
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But if you think someone's 3betting light, lowering your opening raise size to 3x (you have to do this on all buttons or zero buttons though) will be better if you want to 4bet bluff. But I'd say you don't need to 4bet bluff for quite some time, mostly because people c-bet too much in 3bet pots and they c-bet too blindly, so it's much more profitable to take a flop than it is to shove and take their 12bb.
And I 100% think it's better than 4betting. You can still 4bet stuff lighter for value of course (like 99+ or w/e) but calling 3bets with hands that flop well just to shove over the inevitable c-bet is a lot better than 4bet bluffing with a hand like JTs or something similar. Like, these hands are both against a spazzy 16/13 that loves to 3bet the hell out of me. Obv I flopped gin in hand 2, but look at how spazzy he gets postflop:
Hand #1
Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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Hero (SB): $438.00
BB: $394.00
CO: $1274.85
BTN: $387.40
Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 9
9
2 folds,
Hero raises to $12,
BB raises to $48,
Hero raises to $112,
BB raises to $264,
Hero raises to $438 all in, BB calls $130 all in
Flop: ($788.00) 4
9
9
(2 players - 2 are all in)
Turn: ($788.00) 8
(2 players - 2 are all in)
River: ($788.00) K
(2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: $788.00
Hero shows 9h 9c (four of a kind, Nines)
BB mucks 3h 3s
Hero wins $786.00
(Rake: $2.00)
Hand #2
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BB: $2072.35
Hero (BTN/SB): $396.00
Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with J
9
Hero raises to $12,
BB raises to $48, Hero calls $36
Flop: ($96.00) 9
Q
7
(2 players)
BB bets $72,
Hero raises to $348 all in, BB calls $276
Turn: ($792.00) 9
(2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($792.00) A
(2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $792.00
BB shows 7c Td (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
Hero shows Js 9s (three of a kind, Nines)
Hero wins $791.00
(Rake: $1.00)
There's just so many things you can do to counter these guys because generally they 3bet the wrong hands (AJo, KQo, etc... hands that don't really do well in a bloated pot), and they don't know what to do postflop a lot of the time, so the 12bb you're calling isn't really that bad when you know they're gonna spaz out postflop.