***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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Originally Posted by EATITPAL

Like i said im sure people can definitely argue against me. But the statement that i have bolded has to be pretty far out. Regardless of the stakes i would actually expect 10nl villains to be comfortably more spazzy than 50nl villains.

You are most certainly correct in identifying that we quite clearly beat none of his value range, regardless of it being very small. However vs an unknown i am not folding to a single flop c/r as there can definitely be some air hands villain does this with, and, as you mentioned, due to the lack of aggression at 10nl i would expect them to give up on the turn a lot.

Meh, my point was more that if you expect villain to spazz otf (which is still unlikely from my experience) you cannot say anything about his spazz frequencys ott. Its just so rare to get c/r and then get checked too ott, unless they go for the good ol double checkraise.

And 50nl players are more spazzy in that they are more aggro. 10nl spazz's are usually just weird erratic fish, hence you cannot say whether they'll continue spazzing ott.

So if his valuerange has us crushed and his spazzing range is unreliable in that we dont know how he will continue with it and still end up folding the best hand against his spazzing range on the turn we should just fold flop... And that even disregards the times he c/r's toppair worse kicker and continues betting with it.

[RBlagojevich]

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i'm pretty convinced you're right tits. It's still really tough to fold tptk to a raise on the dryest of flops where villain reps nothing but sets. On an emotional level it feels ridiculously exploitable. But i guess we shouldn't worry about that because there's no way for villain guess that we are folding TPTK, and he just isn't going to figure it out ever.

[Waayoo]

Originally Posted by RBlagojevich

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i'm pretty convinced you're right tits. It's still really tough to fold tptk to a raise on the dryest of flops where villain reps nothing but sets. On an emotional level it feels ridiculously exploitable. But i guess we shouldn't worry about that because there's no way for villain guess that we are folding TPTK, and he just isn't going to figure it out ever.

it does feel exploitable, and it is. But once they start exploiting that by c/r;ing dry flops then(we will notice if villian c/r'es dry flops regulary) we will adjust. Not sooner

[RBlagojevich]

24/24 with a 20% 3bet over 23 hands. STD?

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $10.00
UTG: $13.00
Hero (MP): $12.89
CO: $1.34
BTN: $13.89
SB: $13.52

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A K

fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $1.25, Hero calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55, 2 players) Q 5 A
BB bets $1.90, Hero calls $1.90

Turn: ($6.35, 2 players) 3
BB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

River: ($13.35, 2 players) Q
BB bets $3.35 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.35

[JustSomeGuy]

Shove flop

[RBlagojevich]

Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy

Shove flop

wat

[Waayoo]

shove turn is mandatory

[RBlagojevich]

Originally Posted by Waayoo

shove turn is mandatory

what's your rationale? to get called by spade FD's before the draw bricks?

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Originally Posted by RBlagojevich

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i'm pretty convinced you're right tits. It's still really tough to fold tptk to a raise on the dryest of flops where villain reps nothing but sets. On an emotional level it feels ridiculously exploitable. But i guess we shouldn't worry about that because there's no way for villain guess that we are folding TPTK, and he just isn't going to figure it out ever.

Exactly, when it does become an exploitative line by villain we'll notice and should re-adjust. But without history no one is deliberately exploiting you at 10nl.

[Waayoo]

Originally Posted by RBlagojevich

what's your rationale? to get called by spade FD's before the draw bricks?

Hmm, when i said madatory i prob said that because I though the turn brought a third spade, but turns out it didn't ...:$
But still we should shove turn for a minraise AI
You should look at it this way: There's no way villian can bet/fold turn, and he HIGH likely isn't. He is more likely to call your turnraise with junk, than the chance the he goes AI OTR for a 1/4psb as a bluff

[vingtsun]

only played 20 hands with villian at 38/14 3.25.

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

CO: $4.51
BTN: $2.84
SB: $5.00
Hero (BB): $5.07
UTG: $3.11

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 6 6
1 fold, CO raises to $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.32) 6 J 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.32, CO calls $0.32, BTN folds

Turn: ($0.96) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, CO calls $0.75

River: ($2.46) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.46, Hero ???

[Waayoo]

Originally Posted by vingtsun

only played 20 hands with villian at 38/14 3.25.

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

CO: $4.51
BTN: $2.84
SB: $5.00
Hero (BB): $5.07
UTG: $3.11

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 6 6
1 fold, CO raises to $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.32) 6 J 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.32, CO calls $0.32, BTN folds

Turn: ($0.96) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, CO calls $0.75

River: ($2.46) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.46, Hero ???

make a PSB OTT so that you can shove river AI
WHy do you check ?!

[DWarrior]

Both unknowns

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $36.92
MP: $35.67
CO: $26.54
BTN: $32.63
Hero (SB): $27.07
BB: $41.37

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $7.75, 2 folds

[Waayoo]

Originally Posted by DWarrior

Both unknowns

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $36.92
MP: $35.67
CO: $26.54
BTN: $32.63
Hero (SB): $27.07
BB: $41.37

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $7.75, 2 folds

def not squueze(3bet)/folding QQ vs CO opener 110bb
5bet AI imo and see calls from QQ+, AK (maybe AQs, JJ) and see folds too.

[Auts]

Originally Posted by Waayoo

def not squueze(3bet)/folding QQ vs CO opener 110bb
5bet AI imo and see calls from QQ+, AK (maybe AQs, JJ) and see folds too.

+1, never folding