wat

shove turn is mandatory

what's your rationale? to get called by spade FD's before the draw bricks?

Exactly, when it does become an exploitative line by villain we'll notice and should re-adjust. But without history no one is deliberately exploiting you at 10nl.

Hmm, when i said madatory i prob said that because I though the turn brought a third spade, but turns out it didn't ...:$
But still we should shove turn for a minraise AI
You should look at it this way: There's no way villian can bet/fold turn, and he HIGH likely isn't. He is more likely to call your turnraise with junk, than the chance the he goes AI OTR for a 1/4psb as a bluff

only played 20 hands with villian at 38/14 3.25.

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $4.51
BTN: $2.84
SB: $5.00
Hero (BB): $5.07
UTG: $3.11

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 6 6
1 fold, CO raises to $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.32) 6 J 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.32, CO calls $0.32, BTN folds

Turn: ($0.96) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, CO calls $0.75

River: ($2.46) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.46, Hero ???

make a PSB OTT so that you can shove river AI
WHy do you check ?!

Both unknowns

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $36.92
MP: $35.67
CO: $26.54
BTN: $32.63
Hero (SB): $27.07
BB: $41.37

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $7.75, 2 folds

def not squueze(3bet)/folding QQ vs CO opener 110bb
5bet AI imo and see calls from QQ+, AK (maybe AQs, JJ) and see folds too.

+1, never folding

Thoughts on this?Can i fold?
Villains was 17/11/0 over about 100 hands.


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BB): $5.77
UTG: $5.43
MP: $5.19
CO: $5.00
BTN: $2.31
SB: $6.03

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with T K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) K 8 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, MP raises to $0.60, SB folds, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.65) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

River: ($3.85) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.20, Hero calls $2.20

dont lead flop, fold to minraise

@RBlagojeviez
I think that JJ hand deserves it's own thread

@ Night crawler:
Prob fold KTs (OOP) against such a tight opponent
don't donkbet flop, but rather c/c
as played: Fold to minraise very quick

Villian plays:

$10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
BB: $10.16
UTG: $9.44
MP: $33.53
CO: $10.78
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $3.50

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 8 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 4 8 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.41, BB calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.47) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.12, BB calls $1.12

River: ($3.71) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.76, BB raises to $6.60, Hero folds

Good thin Vbet? Or just check it behind?

Check behind obviously. Lot of draws/2pair hands got there and you beat nothing.

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $10.73
CO: $10.68
Hero (BTN): $10.21
SB: $10.93
BB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.75) Q A K (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.54, SB calls $0.54, BB folds

Turn: ($1.83) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.04, SB calls $1.04

River: ($3.91) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.23

Too thin betting here? Villain was a super station fish.

i have a straight....

@furkae good Vbet OTR

Oooops. I think it's fine then.

This was against a 58/24 1.4AF over 150h, who hadn't raised me post flop yet. Is this just a spot to fold and are the bet sizes good otf and ott?

SB ($17.05)
BB ($17.46)
UTG ($16.31)
UTG+1 ($11.65)
Hero ($21.45)
BTN ($31.68)

Dealt to Hero 9 T

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, fold, BB calls $0.70, UTG+1 calls $0.70

FLOP ($2.80) 2 T 9

BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $2.20, BB calls $2.20, UTG+1 folds

TURN ($7.40) 2 T 9 K

BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $10, Hero folds

BB wins $16.53

soke, that's a very difficult laydown but i think you played it correctly and should congratulate yourself on having the self-possession to let it go. flop and turn sizing looks good imo. nh.

vingtsun: 66: Bet river yourself, there is way more value in a bet than a check here. Call as played.
Btw guys, this is a check-up thread, not a "What do I do here?" thread, so you don't need to put spoilers on the line you took.

DWarrior: QQ: I'm not liking it one bit.

Night Crawler: KT: C/c flop.

Waayoo: A8o: I think it is indeed rather thin cause we're just chopping a lot of the time. I'd bet if he won't bluffraise me and would call down with 2 pairs.

furkae: KJo: Definitely too thin. You're targetting Qx only cause you chop all Kx. Villain can definitely c/c a better hand here, and obv, fish like to play more Ax combos than Qx combos.

soke2: T9s: Meh spot. It's probably fine if he's not been active postflop.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $11.95
BTN: $5.42
SB: $10.38
BB: $4.95
UTG: $5.01
Hero (MP): $8.85

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with K A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN raises to $0.90, 2 folds Hero ????

I know this occurs a lot and I dont know what the right play is. Im assuming vs a nit fold, vs a fish 4B. But I am readless so what is the corrct play?

^Just shove and hope he snaps with AQ.
Not folding it regardless. You're ahead of a tag's value 3betting range, obv he folds some of this value range to a shove, but flatting OoP puts you in tough spots/chances to get bluffed by AQ or A5o or something.

(You can 4bet to like 28bb too I guess, but my 4bet sizing is usually like 24bb, and if I can't make it that size I just jam)

1. villain is unknown 19/14 over 21 hands.

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $11.41
SB: $10.00
BB: $13.65
UTG: $5.89
Hero (MP): $10.00
CO: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has J K

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) T 8 A
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.65, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

River: ($1.65, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB raises to $5.00, fold

BB wins $3.78


2. both opponents are touristy/slightly fishy

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $13.44
BB: $19.60
UTG: $7.71
Hero (BTN): $10.04

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q K

UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.45, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.20, 2 players) Q J 9
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, SB calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.60, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.60, 2 players) A
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

SB shows K T (Straight, Ace High) (PreFlop 25%, Flop 91%, Turn 97%)
Hero mucks Q K (One Pair, Queens) (PreFlop 75%, Flop 9%, Turn 3%)
SB wins $3.74

3. villain seems like a TAG over a small hand sample

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $6.45
BTN: $11.67
Hero (SB): $27.67
BB: $8.71
UTG: $10.00
MP: $10.00

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, BTN calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.90, 2 players) A 4 6
Hero bets $1.00, BTN raises to $2.90, fold

BTN wins $3.64

RB: H1: I don't think I'm ever b/f there when

1) he can potentially value raise worse
2) he has to c/c turn with a flush draw and then decide to c/r the river a high enough % of the time.

Although, it's not usually a bluffline, I still think we probably have odds to call vs his rivered Qx hands for 2pair... (I'd stove it but I'm too lazy)


H2: I think it looks fine. You might have a case for b/f the turn, but I think it's still marginal&thin.

H3: Really meh spot and read/gameflow dependent depending on villain. I wouldn't usually fold the flop cause I expect people to play turns and rivers face up once we flat.... I guess people aren't bluffing enough at 10NL though, so it's prob fine..

thanks zomg, your replies are on point as always