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Old 01-03-2011, 01:58 AM   #101
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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BTN: $29.77
SB: $25.00
Hero (BB): $29.48
UTG: $25.89
MP: $29.68
CO: $63.44

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A A
UTG raises to $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.90, Hero raises to $4.50, UTG calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, SB calls $3.50

Flop: ($22.50) 6 J 7 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24.98
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:01 AM   #102
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WWSF takes a while to converge cause obv, people can run hot. But it doesn't really take long to notice which guys are the ones that are bluffraising everywhere.
How many samples do you think it would take before you would consider the stat quite accurate?
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:07 AM   #103
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How many samples do you think it would take before you would consider the stat quite accurate?
I guess I don't really pay attention to it for multitabling regulars unless I have 1k+ hands? I always prefer reads over stats for those guys, cause HUD stats only give an incomplete picture of their ranges.

I'll look at it for a fish straight away though, cause it's easier to see how many pots a fish has tried to fight for postflop that way rather than trying to keep track of gameflow when you're playing 8+ tables.. i.e. if he's playing 60/12 vp/pfr and he's won 62% of pots when he saw the flop, there is obv something fishy going on there. Sure, it won't let me understand their hand ranges, but their hand ranges are so wide in the first place. What it does tell me is that I need to make a top pair and pretty much never let go lol.
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:09 AM   #104
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Thanks z0mg!

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Old 01-03-2011, 03:57 AM   #105
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

Villian is 28/22 over 147 hands. Been pretty straight forward. Pretty sure he out boated me but just like to hear what good poker players think about my fold. Thanks.

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SB: $2.01
BB: $2.07

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with J J
Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17) T K J (2 players)
BB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.37) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.24, BB calls $0.24

River: ($0.85) K (2 players)
BB bets $0.39, Hero folds
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Old 01-03-2011, 04:48 AM   #106
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

I should fold the flop? villain is unknown 30/10 over 6 hands.

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
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MP: $9.47
CO: $19.26
Hero (BTN): $11.14
SB: $11.95
BB: $10.15
UTG: $9.75

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has J A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 6 5 J
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.25, 2 players) 2
BB bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

River: ($8.85, 2 players) 5
BB bets $5.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.75

Last edited by RBlagojevich; 01-03-2011 at 05:02 AM.
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Old 01-03-2011, 05:04 AM   #107
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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Villian is 28/22 over 147 hands. Been pretty straight forward. Pretty sure he out boated me but just like to hear what good poker players think about my fold. Thanks.

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Hero (BTN): $3.99
SB: $2.01
BB: $2.07

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with J J
Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17) T K J (2 players)
BB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.37) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.24, BB calls $0.24

River: ($0.85) K (2 players)
BB bets $0.39, Hero folds
personally i'm not folding to a half pot bet on the river. also i like a flop raise.
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:36 AM   #108
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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UTG: $4.19
CO: $3.43
BTN: $6.34
Hero (SB): $5.00
BB: $1.98

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $0.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) A 5 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.45) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.70, BTN calls $1.70

River: ($5.85) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks

Villain was unknown and snapcalling so I got a bit scared on the river. It's probably an easy shove, right?
Also, is the 3bet pre sizing right or do we bet more because we'll be OOP?

All very basic but hope someone will answer.
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:42 AM   #109
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

ixion you have to shove the river. pre looks fine.
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:18 AM   #110
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Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $4.19
CO: $3.43
BTN: $6.34
Hero (SB): $5.00
BB: $1.98

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $0.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) A 5 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.45) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.70, BTN calls $1.70

River: ($5.85) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks

Villain was unknown and snapcalling so I got a bit scared on the river. It's probably an easy shove, right?
Also, is the 3bet pre sizing right or do we bet more because we'll be OOP?

All very basic but hope someone will answer.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:00 AM   #111
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

first hand at the table

$10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players -
UTG: $19.04
CO: $11.31
BTN: $11.56
SB: $22.00
Hero (BB): $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with J Q
2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.10) 8 6 T (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.78, Hero folds

Final Pot: $2.50
BTN wins $2.38
(Rake: $0.12)

fine?
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:02 AM   #112
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I should fold the flop? villain is unknown 30/10 over 6 hands.

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $9.47
CO: $19.26
Hero (BTN): $11.14
SB: $11.95
BB: $10.15
UTG: $9.75

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has J A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 6 5 J
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.25, 2 players) 2
BB bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

River: ($8.85, 2 players) 5
BB bets $5.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.75
Yeah, fold the flop.
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:33 AM   #113
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^ i don't hate calling down since it's BTN vs. BB. meh 6 combos of sets vs. a **** ton of combos of OESDs/worse top pairs/random spazz since it's a dry board.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:43 AM   #114
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This is very spewy,right?
Villains was 18/11/5 over 300 hands.
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CO: $13.18
BTN: $1.40
SB: $5.04
Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $6.73
MP: $5.03

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with Q Q
1 fold, MP raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.65, MP calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.32) 2 7 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, MP raises to $4.38, Hero calls $3.45 all in

Turn: ($10.02) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($10.02) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:48 AM   #115
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I should fold the flop? villain is unknown 30/10 over 6 hands.

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $9.47
CO: $19.26
Hero (BTN): $11.14
SB: $11.95
BB: $10.15
UTG: $9.75

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has J A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 6 5 J
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.25, 2 players) 2
BB bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

River: ($8.85, 2 players) 5
BB bets $5.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.75
Im sure many people can argue against me, but im not hating calling flop the fold turn considering i expect villain to be spazzing a certain amount of the time and then give up on the turn. I hate folding to a single flop c/r.

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This is very spewy,right?
Villains was 18/11/5 over 300 hands.
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $13.18
BTN: $1.40
SB: $5.04
Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $6.73
MP: $5.03

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with Q Q
1 fold, MP raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.65, MP calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.32) 2 7 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, MP raises to $4.38, Hero calls $3.45 all in

Turn: ($10.02) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($10.02) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)
No this is fine. Villain can be spazzing lots with hands like TT with a club or something or Acx so it's fine.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:51 AM   #116
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

barondan: JJ: Raise flop to like 32c. Bet turn bigger, closer to 32c[37c].

Rblagojevich: AJo: I'd peel flop, probably folding turn.

ixion: AKs: Yeah, easy shove. Everything else looks fine.

Waayoo: QJo: I probably don't cbet there even if we can barrel 9,J,Q,K cause if you're new to the table you won't know if you have fold equity on later streets.

Night Crawler: QQ: No, I don't think it's spewy. He can jam worse overpair&flushdraws or AcX flushdraws so it's a call with dead money.
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:08 PM   #117
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Im sure many people can argue against me, but im not hating calling flop the fold turn considering i expect villain to be spazzing a certain amount of the time and then give up on the turn. I hate folding to a single flop c/r.
If you expect villain to be spazzing a certain amount of time, how do you know he isnt going to continue "spazzing" ott?

And as much as I like to call here, this is almost never a bluff or a semibluff (considering villain seems kinda loose passive), maybe a worse toppair that will actually continue once he c/r the flop and that still leaves us folding the best hand ott, but with more money in the pot.

Maybe this is a call at 50nl because people are more aggro and spazzy but at 10nl calling flop c/r's with one pair just isnt correct in a vacuum.
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:44 PM   #118
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Rblagojevich: AJo: I'd peel flop, probably folding turn.
what's your plan if he checks the turn to us -- check back turn, call a river bet?
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:02 PM   #119
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If you expect villain to be spazzing a certain amount of time, how do you know he isnt going to continue "spazzing" ott?

And as much as I like to call here, this is almost never a bluff or a semibluff (considering villain seems kinda loose passive), maybe a worse toppair that will actually continue once he c/r the flop and that still leaves us folding the best hand ott, but with more money in the pot.

Maybe this is a call at 50nl because people are more aggro and spazzy but at 10nl calling flop c/r's with one pair just isnt correct in a vacuum.
Like i said im sure people can definitely argue against me. But the statement that i have bolded has to be pretty far out. Regardless of the stakes i would actually expect 10nl villains to be comfortably more spazzy than 50nl villains.

You are most certainly correct in identifying that we quite clearly beat none of his value range, regardless of it being very small. However vs an unknown i am not folding to a single flop c/r as there can definitely be some air hands villain does this with, and, as you mentioned, due to the lack of aggression at 10nl i would expect them to give up on the turn a lot.
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:12 PM   #120
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CO: 19/14/2.4 3bet% and fold to 3bet 17% (1 out of 6 times) (4bet 17%; 1 out of 6)
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$0.20/$0.40 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($27.86)
UTG+1 ($40)
CO ($36.50)
Hero (BTN) ($41.79)
SB ($44.46)
BB ($40.40)

Pre-Flop: ($0.60, 6 players) Hero is BTN J J
UTG calls $0.40, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.60, Hero raises to $5.20, 2 folds, UTG folds, CO calls $3.60

Flop: 7 6 10 ($11.40, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $6.80, CO calls $6.80

Turn: Q ($25, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $14, CO goes all-in $24.50, Hero calls $10.50

River: 8 ($74, 2 players, 1 all-in)
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Like i said im sure people can definitely argue against me. But the statement that i have bolded has to be pretty far out. Regardless of the stakes i would actually expect 10nl villains to be comfortably more spazzy than 50nl villains.

You are most certainly correct in identifying that we quite clearly beat none of his value range, regardless of it being very small. However vs an unknown i am not folding to a single flop c/r as there can definitely be some air hands villain does this with, and, as you mentioned, due to the lack of aggression at 10nl i would expect them to give up on the turn a lot.
Meh, my point was more that if you expect villain to spazz otf (which is still unlikely from my experience) you cannot say anything about his spazz frequencys ott. Its just so rare to get c/r and then get checked too ott, unless they go for the good ol double checkraise.

And 50nl players are more spazzy in that they are more aggro. 10nl spazz's are usually just weird erratic fish, hence you cannot say whether they'll continue spazzing ott.

So if his valuerange has us crushed and his spazzing range is unreliable in that we dont know how he will continue with it and still end up folding the best hand against his spazzing range on the turn we should just fold flop... And that even disregards the times he c/r's toppair worse kicker and continues betting with it.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:57 PM   #122
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^

i'm pretty convinced you're right tits. It's still really tough to fold tptk to a raise on the dryest of flops where villain reps nothing but sets. On an emotional level it feels ridiculously exploitable. But i guess we shouldn't worry about that because there's no way for villain guess that we are folding TPTK, and he just isn't going to figure it out ever.
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:03 PM   #123
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i'm pretty convinced you're right tits. It's still really tough to fold tptk to a raise on the dryest of flops where villain reps nothing but sets. On an emotional level it feels ridiculously exploitable. But i guess we shouldn't worry about that because there's no way for villain guess that we are folding TPTK, and he just isn't going to figure it out ever.
it does feel exploitable, and it is. But once they start exploiting that by c/r;ing dry flops then(we will notice if villian c/r'es dry flops regulary) we will adjust. Not sooner
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:04 PM   #124
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24/24 with a 20% 3bet over 23 hands. STD?

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BB: $10.00
UTG: $13.00
Hero (MP): $12.89
CO: $1.34
BTN: $13.89
SB: $13.52

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A K

fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $1.25, Hero calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55, 2 players) Q 5 A
BB bets $1.90, Hero calls $1.90

Turn: ($6.35, 2 players) 3
BB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

River: ($13.35, 2 players) Q
BB bets $3.35 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.35
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:05 PM   #125
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