***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

[Spraggy]

I don't think he ever has 99-JJ, maybe some really small % of the time and no I don''t think he's bluffing that often, at least not with pure air. He can have some semi bluffs, perhaps.

[z0mgtiltz]

Hey, I don't think he has 99-JJ either, but you guys suggested it so I'm going with it.
True, he probably won't bluff into a dead sidepot very often.
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Ongame Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

SB: $33.67 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 3.5, Hands: 568
BB: $17.53 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, Hands: 59
Hero (UTG): $34.01 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 4.7, Hands: 112484
CO: $44.21 - VPIP: 58, PFR: 24, 3B: 10, AF: 2.5, Hands: 119
BTN: $42.44 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 3.5, Hands: 568

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is UTG with J T
Hero raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.80, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.90) 9 7 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, CO calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.40) K (2 players)
Hero bets $3.00, CO calls $3

River: ($10.40) A (2 players)
Hero bets $8.00, CO calls $8

Riverbet too big?

[Doupea]

Full Tilt Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BB: $50.16
UTG: $21.62
Hero (MP): $28.02
CO: $28.13
BTN: $32.54
SB: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with J J
UTG raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, 2 folds, SB raises to $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.65, Hero calls $2.65

Flop: ($10.75) 4 5 6 (3 players)
SB bets $7.00, UTG folds, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($24.75) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $17.52

25NL Rush. Is this an okay spot to shove? I'm expecting a lot of folds and figure if I'm behind I've likely got 8 outs to chop.

edit: Villain is 25/17 8.8% 3bet over 351 hands 59% cbet over 22 sample

[999]

What are UTG's stats? I'd be surprised if this is a light 3bet and vs a value range you're not far ahead with a hand that will face overs like 40% of the time. Even with no overs facing a ton of action you're still behind a lot so I'd fold.

I don't understand the postflop play. You called the flop to bluff the turn or you're shoving for value?

[Doupea]

Originally Posted by 999

What are UTG's stats? I'd be surprised if this is a light 3bet and vs a value range you're not far ahead with a hand that will face overs like 40% of the time. Even with no overs facing a ton of action you're still behind a lot so I'd fold.

I don't understand the postflop play. You called the flop to bluff the turn or you're shoving for value?

I've turned my hand into a bluff, if I get called I'll be surprised if I'm ahead. I've only got 8 hands on UTG so the stats are pretty meaningless.

I had seen this guy squeeze before (17% over 23 possible according to HEM) and with 8.8% 3-bet in these games he is definitely 3-betting light a good chunk of the time.

TBH I don't think I had a plan on the flop, but by the turn shoving seemed a lot better then chk turn and c/f the river.

[999]

So you're trying to make him fold an overpair in a 3bet pot after commiting half his stack?

[aesthetics]

Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz

Pretty sure I'm flatting flop and getting it in on turn.

+1

[lumileijona]

Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

I call that river against that guy.

Naah just shove the turn

[lumileijona]

Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz

Pretty sure I'm flatting flop and getting it in on turn.
We don't have fold equity vs his value range at all anyway, so it really doesn't make a difference to us when we get it in imo cause I'm pretty sure we're pot committed given SPR. The only way to make more money is to widen his bluffing range. He's gonna bluff the A or K turn every single time that we flat flop, or he valuetowns himself with AQ.

Getting it in on flop is obviously fine cause of money already in pot, but just a thought.

Edit: Just read Hoagie's post. If you think we have fold equity vs his range of 99-AA (which is totally possible), then sure, jamming is much better now.

+1 to c/c c/s

[Swiiftx]

What do we do if we c/c flop, villain checks back turn(blank) and another blank comes on river.

[lumileijona]

Originally Posted by Swiiftx

What do we do if we c/c flop, villain checks back turn(blank) and another blank comes on river.

We c/f he river ofc. But we tank 10s before checking.

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Originally Posted by lumileijona

Naah just shove the turn

I was talking about the river, we didnt shove the turn...

[aesthetics]

I just have no idea why we want to shove flop if we think his range is purely value. I really think we have no fold equity against his value range.

Hardly anyone bluffs in this spot, I don't even mind c/c flop and c/f turn. I'm pretty sure we are getting paid by his value range when we hit on the turn so we have great implied odds. Even if he is super nitty and checks back diamond turns with overpairs, we will get a valuebet on the river and get paid enough to make our c/c correct.

Also, if he has QQ/KK and we spike an A or K, he will check back turn and we get a valuebet on the river.

I just can't see c/shoving this flop being our best option unless we think this guy will really fold an overpair.

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Originally Posted by Dint

I just have no idea why we want to shove flop if we think his range is purely value. I really think we have no fold equity against his value range.

Hardly anyone bluffs in this spot, I don't even mind c/c flop and c/f turn. I'm pretty sure we are getting paid by his value range when we hit on the turn so we have great implied odds. Even if he is super nitty and checks back diamond turns with overpairs, we will get a valuebet on the river and get paid enough to make our c/c correct.

Also, if he has QQ/KK and we spike an A or K, he will check back turn and we get a valuebet on the river.

I just can't see c/shoving this flop being our best option unless we think this guy will really fold an overpair.

This is pretty much what I was trying to get at in the beginning of that discussion. Just worded 100x better.

But shoving the flop is slightly +ev regardless because of the dead money from UTG+1 and the tiny amount of FE.