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Originally Posted by Spraggy

All you've said here is we should have more equity when going all in. Of course it would be better with a set or T9dd because they are awesome hands.

Dude, if BTN always has an overpair here he is never folding (I dont know what his 3bet% is but its prob something like 3 and maybe even lower in this spot). He doesnt have the option to shove pre so all you can do is hope he has AK as well (and I dont expect AK to bet on this flop with a guaranteed showdown.).

Long story short, good luck trying to get him of QQ+, against which you only have 43% or something.

EDIT: 47%, so if he never folds its ~BE with dead money in the pot I guess.

Guess you do have a tiny little bit of FE, so its prob +ev. My bad.

[Hoagie]

so you are advocating calling a shove this deep with 99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA(3%) ? Fwiw we have 50% equity against that range with a bunch of dead money in the middle.

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Originally Posted by Hoagie

I have been experimenting with min 3 betting marginal hands with nits in the hand. I feel like it gives me an advantage when I am oop because I am in control of the hand. Also it changes the spr to where I can profitably bluff lots of flops and turns.

ok, but that doesnt seem like a good idea with small blind in the hand. Or am I missing something?

Still think the river is a fold. I still level myself into making calls like that when a nit/tag pots rivers because "zomg, he cannot think im that bad to pay him of when he has trips+ here"

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Originally Posted by Hoagie

so you are advocating calling a shove this deep with 99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA(3%) ? Fwiw we have 50% equity against that range with a bunch of dead money in the middle.

Absolutely not, I just never see bad nits fold in that spot. And I think his range is pretty much QQ+ here, since they dont 3bet 99-JJ all that often and it would be simply retarded for him to bet that otf with guaranteed sd.

[Hoagie]

right but given the range you have assigned we should be jamming for value.

[kts82]

MP 29/21 40% fold 3 bet 150 hands
CO fish


Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BTN: $33.52
Hero (SB): $33.87
BB: $41.94
UTG: $27.82
MP: $28.62
CO: $20.78

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with K K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, MP calls $2.25, CO calls $2.25

Flop: ($9.25) 6 5 A (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($9.25) J (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.50, CO folds, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($14.25) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

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Yeah. I edited my post when I stoved it.

But I am still trying to figure out what happens when we call and if that could be better. He might check back some turns and we get immediate odds.

[Hoagie]

@kts82

River value looks pretty thin. I say good hand

[Hoagie]

Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

Yeah. I edited my post when I stoved it.

But I am still trying to figure out what happens when we call and if that could be better.

Problem with flatting is we have 0 fold equity on the turn and our hand equity plummets with a brick.

[Spraggy]

Honestly, I'm fine with how that hand was played.

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yep, its fine, im just rambling

[z0mgtiltz]

Originally Posted by Spraggy

Thoughts vs 17/12 reg?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($18.45)
BB ($17.12)
UTG ($98.60)
UTG+1 ($7.70)
Hero ($194)
BTN ($83.68)

Dealt to Hero K A

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, BTN raises to $6.50, fold, fold, UTG+1 raises to $7.70 (AI), Hero calls $5.45, BTN calls $1.20

FLOP ($23.85) 2 8 7

Hero checks, BTN bets $14.42, Hero raises to $176,

Pretty sure I'm flatting flop and getting it in on turn.
We don't have fold equity vs his value range at all anyway, so it really doesn't make a difference to us when we get it in imo cause I'm pretty sure we're pot committed given SPR. The only way to make more money is to widen his bluffing range. He's gonna bluff the A or K turn every single time that we flat flop, or he valuetowns himself with AQ.

Getting it in on flop is obviously fine cause of money already in pot, but just a thought.

Edit: Just read Hoagie's post. If you think we have fold equity vs his range of 99-AA (which is totally possible), then sure, jamming is much better now.

[Hoagie]

Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

yep, its fine, im just rambling

Its what the thread is for imo. made me look deeper into it than I would have.



Oh and the hand I posted is a level. I misclick mr. I think the turn and river call are standard though. Villain very rarely checks back the flop with TP and his sizing is ridiculously suspicious. I thought about it and the only hand in his range I felt he could play like that is 66. But I don't think he bets the turn with 66.

[Spraggy]

I get what your saying my only issue with that is how often this guy is double barrelling 5bet pots with air. His range is ridiculously value heavy here, I would say close to 100% so if anything A or K turns could kill action vs QQ which we are fairly happy getting it in against on the flop...I'm probably just more content jamming flop when my equity is best.

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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz

Pretty sure I'm flatting flop and getting it in on turn.
We don't have fold equity vs his value range at all anyway, so it really doesn't make a difference to us when we get it in imo cause I'm pretty sure we're pot committed given SPR. The only way to make more money is to widen his bluffing range. He's gonna bluff the A or K turn every single time that we flat flop, or he valuetowns himself with AQ.

Getting it in on flop is obviously fine cause of money already in pot, but just a thought.

Edit: Just read Hoagie's post. If you think we have fold equity vs his range of 99-AA (which is totally possible), then sure, jamming is much better now.

Do you think he has a bluffing range here? UTG+1 is allin.

And I doubt he ever has 99-JJ here tbh.