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Old 01-02-2011, 01:25 AM   #26
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:27 AM   #27
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I'd like it more with 9dTd or a set.
All you've said here is we should have more equity when going all in. Of course it would be better with a set or T9dd because they are awesome hands.
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:30 AM   #28
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Was the betting capped pre when UTG shoved? As in, could you only call or was there an option to raise? If there was only an option to call, pre is fine, but if you could raise, I just fold when UTG ships because BTN is probably shipping his stack in after cold 4betting.

Same with the flop. If villain couldn't ship pre then I'd probably c/c flop because his range is still strong and you have no fold equity prob. If villain could ship pre, but decided to flat then c/shove is cool.
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:31 AM   #29
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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No, seems pretty much misplayed everywhere... Pretty sure its a level but im just going to pretend it isnt...

you min3bet 96s with a 12bb stack in the SB, why?

And when a tight player like that pots the river he usually has trip jacks.
I have been experimenting with min 3 betting marginal hands with nits in the hand. I feel like it gives me an advantage when I am oop because I am in control of the hand. Also it changes the spr to where I can profitably bluff lots of flops and turns.
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:40 AM   #30
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

Thing is we have like insane odds against the entirety of his range, on top of this we do have fold equity imo. I am basically never calling this jam with QQ KK AA and If villain cant fold those hands we are still doing ok. He might not be able to fold those hands but he SHOULD fold them.

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All you've said here is we should have more equity when going all in. Of course it would be better with a set or T9dd because they are awesome hands.
Dude, if BTN always has an overpair here he is never folding (I dont know what his 3bet% is but its prob something like 3 and maybe even lower in this spot). He doesnt have the option to shove pre so all you can do is hope he has AK as well (and I dont expect AK to bet on this flop with a guaranteed showdown.).

Long story short, good luck trying to get him of QQ+, against which you only have 43% or something.

EDIT: 47%, so if he never folds its ~BE with dead money in the pot I guess.

Guess you do have a tiny little bit of FE, so its prob +ev. My bad.
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

so you are advocating calling a shove this deep with 99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA(3%) ? Fwiw we have 50% equity against that range with a bunch of dead money in the middle.
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I have been experimenting with min 3 betting marginal hands with nits in the hand. I feel like it gives me an advantage when I am oop because I am in control of the hand. Also it changes the spr to where I can profitably bluff lots of flops and turns.
ok, but that doesnt seem like a good idea with small blind in the hand. Or am I missing something?

Still think the river is a fold. I still level myself into making calls like that when a nit/tag pots rivers because "zomg, he cannot think im that bad to pay him of when he has trips+ here"
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so you are advocating calling a shove this deep with 99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA(3%) ? Fwiw we have 50% equity against that range with a bunch of dead money in the middle.
Absolutely not, I just never see bad nits fold in that spot. And I think his range is pretty much QQ+ here, since they dont 3bet 99-JJ all that often and it would be simply retarded for him to bet that otf with guaranteed sd.
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

right but given the range you have assigned we should be jamming for value.
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:55 AM   #36
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BTN: $33.52
Hero (SB): $33.87
BB: $41.94
UTG: $27.82
MP: $28.62
CO: $20.78

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with K K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, MP calls $2.25, CO calls $2.25

Flop: ($9.25) 6 5 A (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($9.25) J (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.50, CO folds, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($14.25) 2 (2 players)
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:57 AM   #37
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

Yeah. I edited my post when I stoved it.

But I am still trying to figure out what happens when we call and if that could be better. He might check back some turns and we get immediate odds.
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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River value looks pretty thin. I say good hand
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:00 AM   #39
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Yeah. I edited my post when I stoved it.

But I am still trying to figure out what happens when we call and if that could be better.
Problem with flatting is we have 0 fold equity on the turn and our hand equity plummets with a brick.
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

Honestly, I'm fine with how that hand was played.
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yep, its fine, im just rambling
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:04 AM   #42
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BB ($17.12)
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Dealt to Hero K A

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, BTN raises to $6.50, fold, fold, UTG+1 raises to $7.70 (AI), Hero calls $5.45, BTN calls $1.20

FLOP ($23.85) 2 8 7

Hero checks, BTN bets $14.42, Hero raises to $176,
Pretty sure I'm flatting flop and getting it in on turn.
We don't have fold equity vs his value range at all anyway, so it really doesn't make a difference to us when we get it in imo cause I'm pretty sure we're pot committed given SPR. The only way to make more money is to widen his bluffing range. He's gonna bluff the A or K turn every single time that we flat flop, or he valuetowns himself with AQ.

Getting it in on flop is obviously fine cause of money already in pot, but just a thought.

Edit: Just read Hoagie's post. If you think we have fold equity vs his range of 99-AA (which is totally possible), then sure, jamming is much better now.
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:06 AM   #43
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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yep, its fine, im just rambling
Its what the thread is for imo. made me look deeper into it than I would have.



Oh and the hand I posted is a level. I misclick mr. I think the turn and river call are standard though. Villain very rarely checks back the flop with TP and his sizing is ridiculously suspicious. I thought about it and the only hand in his range I felt he could play like that is 66. But I don't think he bets the turn with 66.
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

I get what your saying my only issue with that is how often this guy is double barrelling 5bet pots with air. His range is ridiculously value heavy here, I would say close to 100% so if anything A or K turns could kill action vs QQ which we are fairly happy getting it in against on the flop...I'm probably just more content jamming flop when my equity is best.
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Pretty sure I'm flatting flop and getting it in on turn.
We don't have fold equity vs his value range at all anyway, so it really doesn't make a difference to us when we get it in imo cause I'm pretty sure we're pot committed given SPR. The only way to make more money is to widen his bluffing range. He's gonna bluff the A or K turn every single time that we flat flop, or he valuetowns himself with AQ.

Getting it in on flop is obviously fine cause of money already in pot, but just a thought.

Edit: Just read Hoagie's post. If you think we have fold equity vs his range of 99-AA (which is totally possible), then sure, jamming is much better now.
Do you think he has a bluffing range here? UTG+1 is allin.

And I doubt he ever has 99-JJ here tbh.
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I don't think he ever has 99-JJ, maybe some really small % of the time and no I don''t think he's bluffing that often, at least not with pure air. He can have some semi bluffs, perhaps.
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:17 AM   #47
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

Hey, I don't think he has 99-JJ either, but you guys suggested it so I'm going with it.
True, he probably won't bluff into a dead sidepot very often.
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SB: $33.67 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 3.5, Hands: 568
BB: $17.53 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, Hands: 59
Hero (UTG): $34.01 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 4.7, Hands: 112484
CO: $44.21 - VPIP: 58, PFR: 24, 3B: 10, AF: 2.5, Hands: 119
BTN: $42.44 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 3.5, Hands: 568

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is UTG with J T
Hero raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.80, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.90) 9 7 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, CO calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.40) K (2 players)
Hero bets $3.00, CO calls $3

River: ($10.40) A (2 players)
Hero bets $8.00, CO calls $8

Riverbet too big?
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:00 AM   #49
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BB: $50.16
UTG: $21.62
Hero (MP): $28.02
CO: $28.13
BTN: $32.54
SB: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with J J
UTG raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, 2 folds, SB raises to $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.65, Hero calls $2.65

Flop: ($10.75) 4 5 6 (3 players)
SB bets $7.00, UTG folds, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($24.75) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $17.52

25NL Rush. Is this an okay spot to shove? I'm expecting a lot of folds and figure if I'm behind I've likely got 8 outs to chop.

edit: Villain is 25/17 8.8% 3bet over 351 hands 59% cbet over 22 sample

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Old 01-02-2011, 03:21 AM   #50
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What are UTG's stats? I'd be surprised if this is a light 3bet and vs a value range you're not far ahead with a hand that will face overs like 40% of the time. Even with no overs facing a ton of action you're still behind a lot so I'd fold.

I don't understand the postflop play. You called the flop to bluff the turn or you're shoving for value?
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