***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

[SquirrelsUnite]

Not a good spot to slowplay top set imo. Rest is fine obv.

BTW it goes bet/raise/3bet. So he raised you, you 3bet and he 4bet shoved.

[LUVtehNL]

CO was running 27/23 with 20% 3bet. UTG was 40/40 after just 5 hands so we dont know anything. my thinking was that i cant coldcall 100bb deep so i prefer 4bet folding pre atleast. after it just turned out horrible because UTG slowplayed with AcAh but my question is more about my preflop thinking. reasonable?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BTN): $10.30
SB: $12.07
BB: $7.77
UTG: $19.00
MP: $11.70
CO: $16.13

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J J
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $2.15, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.85, CO calls $1.25

Flop: ($6.60) 2 J 4 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $3.67, UTG calls $3.67, CO folds

Turn: ($13.94) 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4.48, UTG calls $4.48

River: ($22.90) 9 (2 players)

[darth.maul.1]

Here I would consider flatting instead of 4betting , bcz if UTG comes over the top easy fold , if UTG also flatts it's also great , CO will play str8 forward in a MW pot , 3b preflop and you have absolute position on both of them .

BUT I would consider 4b light the CO . I wouldnt do it often but once 200 hands I would sneak in a bluff as a cold 4b . By 4b the CO who already 3b vs a very tight range we are repping a **** ton of strength .

[chode]

Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite

Not a good spot to slowplay top set imo. Rest is fine obv.

BTW it goes bet/raise/3bet. So he raised you, you 3bet and he 4bet shoved.

Right messed the betting up there.

Why isn't this a good spot to slowplay? ( I pretty much never slowplay but this would a flop i would think is good.)
Would have to be J62r?
I figure his range is pairs and broadways. I guess could get calls from TT-55 Q10 Q9 T9 T8 ect. I didn't think alot of sc would be in his range.

[SquirrelsUnite]

I would slowplay J62r against some people. Though even there most regs will assume I'd cbet 100% of my range and don't really fold that much.

My main issue is that if you don't bet you don't give give him a chance to play back at you. Or float with AQ, KQ+backdoor flushdraw and pay off if he hits. People don't always play their hands and usually betting the flop makes their mistakes costlier.

[chode]

Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite

I would slowplay J62r against some people. Though even there most regs will assume I'd cbet 100% of my range and don't really fold that much.

My main issue is that if you don't bet you don't give give him a chance to play back at you. Or float with AQ, KQ+backdoor flushdraw and pay off if he hits. People don't always play their hands and usually betting the flop makes their mistakes costlier.

You're making a lot sense. Just today I watched some DC video that touched on this.

What kind of players would you slowplay? I get a little confused when I think of a really aggro villain. Do you check to c/r or do you cb and plan on 4betting? Must be read dependent... if villain c/r a lot or bets when checked to... i getting there. What about a passive villain?

[GeorgeB1943]

I was playing a 10 handed micro-T and in the BB. Blinds are 750 and 1500 w/antes at 150. I have about $10k in chips. 2nd UTG limps, so does the button, the SB folds, I check with 7h5d. The flop is 8Q6 all hearts. I have a open ended straight draw and a flush draw. first limper checks, button bets 3k, I call, the first limper goes all in with a raise of 2500, the button folds, I call figuring with 17 outs I may be behind but have a good shot at drawing out. The limper shows KdKh. Qc comes on the turn 3c on the river. The KKs hold.

Was betting for the draw a good play here, even though I lost?

[chode]

Originally Posted by GeorgeB1943

I was playing a 10 handed micro-T and in the BB. Blinds are 750 and 1500 w/antes at 150. I have about $10k in chips. 2nd UTG limps, so does the button, the SB folds, I check with 7h5d. The flop is 8Q6 all hearts. I have a open ended straight draw and a flush draw. first limper checks, button bets 3k, I call, the first limper goes all in with a raise of 2500, the button folds, I call figuring with 17 outs I may be behind but have a good shot at drawing out. The limper shows KdKh. Qc comes on the turn 3c on the river. The KKs hold.

Was betting for the draw a good play here, even though I lost?

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[SquirrelsUnite]

Originally Posted by chode

You're making a lot sense. Just today I watched some DC video that touched on this.

What kind of players would you slowplay? I get a little confused when I think of a really aggro villain. Do you check to c/r or do you cb and plan on 4betting? Must be read dependent... if villain c/r a lot or bets when checked to... i getting there. What about a passive villain?

This is honestly a tough question, because the situation doesn't come up very often. The main thing I'd be looking at is how good my opponent is. Against someone good I'd never slowplay flop on a dry board because it looks so suspicious. I would often check/call or checkraise the turn though. But there are some aggrofish who actually fold to cbets with total air but will bomb 3 streets if checked to (or overbet even).

My general approach without strong reads is to take lines I would take with air too and let my opponent's aggressive tendencies take over. Sometimes you can do better than that if you were really paying attention.

BTW, if you want more general rules overbetting (or just betting large) by your opponent is always a sign that you should be slowplaying more with the top of your range. In a sense it's even more important than aggression frequency.

[chode]

Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite

This is honestly a tough question, because the situation doesn't come up very often. The main thing I'd be looking at is how good my opponent is. Against someone good I'd never slowplay flop on a dry board because it looks so suspicious. I would often check/call or checkraise the turn though. But there are some aggrofish who actually fold to cbets with total air but will bomb 3 streets if checked to (or overbet even).

My general approach without strong reads is to take lines I would take with air too and let my opponent's aggressive tendencies take over. Sometimes you can do better than that if you were really paying attention.

BTW, if you want more general rules overbetting (or just betting large) by your opponent is always a sign that you should be slowplaying more with the top of your range. In a sense it's even more important than aggression frequency.

Thanks man appreciate it. One more small thing, what's your take on aggression factor/frequency? I brought it up in an HH once and a dude was telling me it was an irrelevant stat and didn't mean if a player was aggro or not. He said you have look at c/r and barrel stats. I always thought it was betting and raising ratio to calling (maybe checking?). Which tells me it is very much related to how aggressive villain is.

[dadude]

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SB ($33.94)
BB ($28.52)
UTG ($99.13)
UTG+1 ($22.74)
CO ($24.50)
Hero ($25)

Dealt to Hero 2 2

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50

FLOP ($2.60) 9 J 2

UTG+1 bets $0.25, CO raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, UTG+1 calls $1

TURN ($6.35) 9 J 2 6

UTG+1 bets $0.75, CO raises to $2.75, Hero raises to $7.25, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $4.50

RIVER ($21.60) 9 J 2 6 Q

CO checks, Hero bets $15.75 (AI)

line check, just called flop because wanted to keep them both in, but now looking at how small the sizing is maybe should have 3bet flop?

[mingusmingus]

Yeah I'd definitely raise against a flop bet that small. If UTG+1 min bets I don't think he has anything that will even call the $1.25, so just raise for value against the CO.

[TheDefiniteArticle]

No point in continuing to barrel the turn - his range is pretty much Kx here? (He was cbetting 100% over a decent sample and had fold to flop raise of 3/3, so I think the c/r is +EV beyond question). TAG-ish preflop stats.

Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $2.58
SB: $6.05
Hero (BB): $4.39
UTG: $10.68
CO: $4.00

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A J

UTG raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) 5 K 6
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.48, UTG calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.22, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($1.22, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, UTG checks

[tiptopdog]

vilian : 16/12 , 5%3bet , 3,5 AF 40 hands
he 3bet me exactly 1 round ago where he just joined at BB ( I folded )

On Game, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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BB: $8.38 (83.8 bb)
MP: $10.21 (102.1 bb)
CO: $9.52 (95.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $12.71 (127.1 bb)
SB: $16.17 (161.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 8 A 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.60) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $3.50, [color="red"]Hero ?

[sicksack]

Sorry if this is a useless hand to post, but I just wondered if I could have played this hand a better way or was it just one of those hands that pretty much plays itself out. He though about the call until the time bank went out and can't see what he put me on when he called..

Not much info on the Villain... 19/14 #41hands


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players


UTG: $5.76
MP: $5.77
CO: $5.48
Hero (BTN): $6.03
SB: $6.64
BB: $5.72

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 9 9

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.97, 2 players) 8 9 T
CO bets $1.20, Hero raises to $5.08 and is all-in, CO calls $3.33 and is all-in

Turn: ($11.03, 2 players) K

River: ($11.03, 2 players) J

CO shows Q A (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 44%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows 9 9 (Three of a Kind, Nines) (Pre 56%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)
CO wins $10.57