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Ongame Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1117066
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SB: $21.34 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 27, 3B: 17, AF: Infinity, Hands: 22
BB: $18.90 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 24, 3B: 11, AF: 2.8, Hands: 110
UTG: $26.56 - VPIP: 60, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.2, Hands: 25
Hero (CO): $22.19 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 4.7, Hands: 140995
BTN: $22.48 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 32, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 22

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is CO with 9

UTG calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.90) K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.75, UTG calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.40) 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.00, UTG calls $5

River: ($15.40) 6

(2 players)
UTG bets $19.01, Hero folds

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01-11-2011 , 07:04 PM

#278

sharkbaitOHH

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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

UTG calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.90) K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.75, UTG calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.40) 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.00, UTG calls $5

River: ($15.40) 6

(2 players)
UTG bets $19.01, Hero folds

if he snap calls flop and turn and then slightly pause jam river then this is fine

sorry you had to fold

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01-11-2011 , 07:10 PM

#279

(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

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Haha, never had this happening to me so much in one day. Get either c/r or this.

His timing was the complete opposite if I recall it correctly. Does that really change anything?

c/2sec call twice, then pretty much snap shove river. Maybe because I was betting big.

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01-11-2011 , 07:17 PM

#280

sharkbaitOHH

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then I'm probably calling it off there. he was planning on jamming the river before the river came out.

but usually snapcall snapcall is the draw. obviously folding is fine.

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01-11-2011 , 07:41 PM

#281

RBlagojevich

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dudes am i ever good here? villain is a nitty reg, 14/11

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $4.79
BB: $9.98
UTG: $15.58
Hero (CO): $14.95
BTN: $9.90

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has T

fold, Hero raises to $0.28, BTN calls $0.28, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.71, 2 players) 4

Hero bets $0.53, BTN calls $0.53

Turn: ($1.77, 2 players) T

Hero bets $1.32, BTN calls $1.32

River: ($4.41, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $3.30, BTN raises to $7.77 and is all-in

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01-11-2011 , 07:46 PM

#282

Frenzied Deity

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Originally Posted by RBlagojevich

but don't we want to get the money in on the flop if we think he's drawing?

it's super unlikely for him to have a set here i would think.

You don't know that he's not drawing till he 4bets the flop lol.
He might raise flop with a draw, but I doubt he'll 4bet the flop with it.
Prob some very wide assumptions (and possibly bad ones) I'm making though, so it's up to you to decide...

RB: That sucks. If we're good there more than 20% of the time, I would be very surprised. :\

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01-11-2011 , 08:41 PM

#283

antonio1591

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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

UTG calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.90) K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.75, UTG calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.40) 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.00, UTG calls $5

River: ($15.40) 6

(2 players)
UTG bets $19.01, Hero folds

This is pretty much always a fold against an unknown regardless of timing. If you're absolutely sure you have some specific timing tell against a particular opponent you have history with then I guess you could possibly call.

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01-11-2011 , 08:49 PM

#284

(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

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Originally Posted by RBlagojevich

fold, Hero raises to $0.28, BTN calls $0.28, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.71, 2 players) 4

Hero bets $0.53, BTN calls $0.53

Turn: ($1.77, 2 players) T

Hero bets $1.32, BTN calls $1.32

River: ($4.41, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $3.30, BTN raises to $7.77 and is all-in

I dunno of villain would ever just trow it in with AK here because the pot is so big or something, I doubt it.

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01-11-2011 , 09:48 PM

#285

LOLdonkaments.

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lolpotodds for RB's last hand, I could prob never find a fold.

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Originally Posted by LOLdonkaments.

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SB: $158.80
BB: $20.00
UTG: $68.60
MP: $18.50
Hero (CO): $132.00
BTN: $50.85

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $2.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12.50, BTN calls $10

Flop: ($25.75) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $12.50, BTN raises to $38.35 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

villain is probably a regfish judging by his min3bet, playing 24/17/2.5 and has 3bet 3 out of 11 opportunities prior to this hand. only 30 hand sample overall, no history/dynamic.

need to call 25.85 to win 76.70, so I need to have ~33% equity against villain's range to make a call +EV? Is this the correct way of calculating it? This seems like a call now =/

Does anyone like a c/c flop, c/f turn line?

bumpity, main question bolded.

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01-11-2011 , 11:14 PM

#286

Spraggy

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vs 30/15 over 40 something hands...
Seems like a fish...

This ok?

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Dealt to Hero J

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, Hero calls $0.75, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.85) 4

UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1

TURN ($3.85) 4

UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, UTG raises to $5, Hero calls $2.75

RIVER ($13.85) 4

UTG bets $18.93 (AI), Hero calls $18.93

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01-11-2011 , 11:57 PM

#287

skraper

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fold at some point

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01-12-2011 , 12:15 AM

#288

Reframer

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Someone take a real quick look at this for me.
Villain is a 76 / 22 but passive and station post.
Is anyone bet / folding the river?
Even this guy must know this is a great spot to bluff when checked to.

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CO: $13.62
BTN: $9.76
Hero (SB): $11.51
BB: $9.66

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.60) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB calls $1.30

River: ($4.20) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.10, Hero folds

Final Pot: $4.20
BB wins $3.92
(Rake: $0.28)

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01-12-2011 , 12:32 AM

#289

Reframer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLdonkaments.

2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $2.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12.50, BTN calls $10

Flop: ($25.75) 5

Nah man you only need 25% equity against villain's range to break even.
Think about it as if you have to call $25 to win $75.
With 25% equity 3/4 times you lose $25 and 1/4 times you win $75.
This example is real easy because the numbers easily divide in to each other give or take a few cents.
For thougher ones you can use this formula.
Equity % for breakeven call = 100 / Total pot after call x cost of the call.
As for the c/c, c/f line I'm not sure. Anything that bets the flop is probably just going to ship the turn including diamonds and JJ / TT.
PS If villain does this with JJ, AK, KQs, AJdd, ATdd you're crushing at 37%. Remove JJ and you're dead at 17%.

Last edited by Reframer; 01-12-2011 at 01:01 AM.

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01-12-2011 , 12:42 AM

#290

Reframer

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Villain has played 10 hands at the table raising 1 and taking it down and folding the other 9.
I only called pre because there is a big fish likely to come along in the BB.
I'm guessing every one folds the turn?
I suppose if I call the turn I should really call the river as draws miss and villain's assumed range hasn't changed very much?

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Hero (CO): $13.88
BTN: $4.88
SB: $10.00
BB: $14.59
UTG: $10.14
MP: $9.20

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K

1 fold, MP raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.25) K

(3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70, BB folds

Turn: ($2.65) 3

(2 players)
MP bets $2.00, Hero calls $2

River: ($6.65) 5

(2 players)
MP bets $6.10, Hero folds

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01-12-2011 , 12:49 AM

#291

humanabstract91

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i mean by the turn, do we think he open raises KT from MP?

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01-12-2011 , 01:10 AM

#292

Reframer

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Probably not given 1st 10 hands villain has played but I would expect more than 50% of tags would barrel hearts and diamonds. Also maybe QQ, JJ, TT, 99 as it's very plausible I have hearts myself. All of these check the river I guess and now villain range is KQ+ and busted flush draws. You fold the turn?

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01-12-2011 , 01:19 AM

#293

RBlagojevich

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is there a better way to play this combo draw? BB is a tag and CO is a fish.

Merge - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $26.08
BTN: $29.94
Hero (SB): $11.46
BB: $11.22
UTG: $7.05
MP: $10.08

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A

fold, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, fold, Hero calls $0.05, BB raises to $0.20, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.80, 4 players) T

Hero checks, BB bets $0.80, fold, CO calls $0.80, Hero raises to $3.20, BB raises to $11.02 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $7.82

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01-12-2011 , 01:22 AM

#294

RBlagojevich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLdonkaments.

bumpity, main question bolded.

no, i think i prefer the way you played it

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01-12-2011 , 01:46 AM

#295

Reframer

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I'd probably just flat flop.
Your odds are delicious and you probably don't want to fold out anyone for when you hit.
Also you may get less credit from the TAG as they will put you on raising the NFD a lot.
Now show my hands some love Rod.

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01-12-2011 , 02:23 AM

#296

antonio1591

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spraggy

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, Hero calls $0.75, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.85) 4

UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1

TURN ($3.85) 4

UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, UTG raises to $5, Hero calls $2.75

RIVER ($13.85) 4

UTG bets $18.93 (AI), Hero calls $18.93

If he's unknown I think it might be better to just check back the turn in position because I expect to get tons of folds, which is why I would always be barreling this card with air.

EDIT: lol whoops thought u cbet flop. I'd probably still check back tho.

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01-12-2011 , 02:25 AM

#297

RBlagojevich

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Originally Posted by Reframer

Now show my hands some love Rod.

i play both hands exactly the same way. nh.

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01-12-2011 , 02:28 AM

#298

RBlagojevich

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spraggy: maybe fold to turn raise, definitely fold to river shove

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01-12-2011 , 02:32 AM

#299

RBlagojevich

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villain is playing 20/0 over 10 hands. is the river value bet too thin?

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $9.05
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $5.66
UTG: $10.21
CO: $10.00

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.25, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.50, 2 players) K

Hero bets $0.33, BB calls $0.33

Turn: ($1.16, 2 players) 7

Hero bets $0.97, BB calls $0.97

River: ($3.10, 2 players) T

Hero bets $2.06

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01-12-2011 , 02:53 AM

#300

Reframer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RBlagojevich

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.25, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.50, 2 players) K

Hero bets $0.33, BB calls $0.33

Turn: ($1.16, 2 players) 7

Hero bets $0.97, BB calls $0.97

River: ($3.10, 2 players) T

Hero bets $2.06

I think it's probably a bet / fold. KQ, K9 JT, K6 maybe even JQ or AJ. So it is mighty thin. I don't think our hand is strong enough to check call and is a little too strong to check / fold.

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