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06-16-2021 , 01:22 PM
V has 7% 3! over 400 hands.

Preflop I think this hand can go either way call or 4bet.

I thought about check raising this flop for protection but I think my hand is a little too strong for that.

I know I am betting this river but what sizing am I using? I want it to look like a missed flush draw so my initial thought is 75% PSB.

Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 200.6 BB
SB: 121 BB
BB: 344.3 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB
MP: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 722.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jh Js
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 7.8 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 5.3 BB

Flop : (17.1 BB, 2 players) 5h 6s Th
Hero checks, BTN bets 12.8 BB, Hero calls 12.8 BB

Turn : (42.7 BB, 2 players) Kd
Hero checks, BTN checks

River : (42.7 BB, 2 players) Ks
Hero ?
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06-16-2021 , 02:47 PM


4B pre.
Flop you can consider raising, on the river I would pure bet
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06-16-2021 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by aner0


4B pre.
Flop you can consider raising, on the river I would pure bet

Don’t know if you noticed we are 200bb with villain? I guess AP that makes us less inclined to raise flop

Also, how would you play river? Eg what sizing(s) do you think make most sense with various parts of our range


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06-16-2021 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GTOJacob
Don’t know if you noticed we are 200bb with villain? I guess AP that makes us less inclined to raise flop

Also, how would you play river? Eg what sizing(s) do you think make most sense with various parts of our range


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You're absolutely right, 200bb deep it mixes 4b/calling
OTR I'd go from 25% to 50%, somewhere in that range
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06-17-2021 , 07:18 AM
co vs btn we are pretty aggressive so JJ we just stick as a pure 4bet (TT+ for me in this spot)
AP im not a fan of x/r so much (be bit more inclined if we didnt have Jh). after x/x turn we can/should be block betting pretty often.
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06-17-2021 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE
after x/x turn we can/should be block betting pretty often.
why
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06-17-2021 , 07:50 AM
I agree with block betting river for thin value.
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06-17-2021 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GTOJacob
why
because the action of calling 3bet, x/c flop, x/x turn we have lots of stuff like our JJ that we wish to get value from but dont want to now play a massive pot, we just dont have that many nutted hands. even if we have a nutted hand here somehow we have to be weary of what the rest of our range wants to do overall. a balanced approach would be a smaller block bet - of which we can comfortably bet fold (this particular hand) given the greater stack depth (like are our villains really going to exploit bluff us with enough frequency here?)
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06-17-2021 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE
turn we have lots of stuff like our JJ that we wish to get value from
like what, and what are we trying to get value from
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06-17-2021 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by GTOJacob
like what, and what are we trying to get value from

AT, QT, the sticky 99 and possibly AQ/AJ without a heart.
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06-17-2021 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
AT, QT, the sticky 99 and possibly AQ/AJ without a heart.
villain never has 99 for this line
very unlikely to have AQ/AJ
shouldn't have QT pure (might do though)
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06-17-2021 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GTOJacob
villain never has 99 for this line
very unlikely to have AQ/AJ
shouldn't have QT pure (might do though)
let me flip this, why would you potentially want to be large? how do you see heros range at the river looking like?
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06-17-2021 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE
let me flip this, why would you potentially want to be large? how do you see heros range at the river looking like?

Na I’m not saying betting small with JJ is -EV it’s probably the best play at micros, it’s just that our range doesn’t wanna block

In theory, we should give a lot of respect to hero’s range given the runout and action, mainly checking this river


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06-18-2021 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GTOJacob
Na I’m not saying betting small with JJ is -EV it’s probably the best play at micros, it’s just that our range doesn’t wanna block

In theory, we should give a lot of respect to hero’s range given the runout and action, mainly checking this river


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ok but if our range wants to check, do we x/call large bet sizes if villain bets this river or x/fold?
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06-18-2021 , 05:29 AM
I m leaning towards tripling here, turn bad for hand, but good for range, we are bluffing here a ton, so dont get checking jacks, river is whatever, but i think we are bluffing our heart draws, so...
I dont mind passive flop line either, but we definitely have to bet river then
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06-18-2021 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE
ok but if our range wants to check, do we x/call large bet sizes if villain bets this river or x/fold?

Yeah depends on sizings but mainly call small, mainly fold big I think


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06-18-2021 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GTOJacob
Yeah depends on sizings but mainly call small, mainly fold big I think


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problem with this is betting small in position shouldnt really be a thing (on the river), im probably still leaning to bet/folding at the mo.
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06-18-2021 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE
problem with this is betting small in position shouldnt really be a thing (on the river), im probably still leaning to bet/folding at the mo.
well I mean villain betting this flop shouldn't be much of a thing either, but he did and now we have a decision

Ye I'd probably bet fold this river with this hand at micros aswell, wouldn't bother tryna balance with traps and air, x/j (probably) makes you more money and is solver approved
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