Would we be obligated to attend a minimum of two two hour sessions a week or can we drop in? I ask because with my schedule, if I set aside 4 hours a week to study poker, it would not leave me with much time to play poker.

I don't like the term 'obliged' tbh, I'd like people to join this group for pleasure, because they love the game and want to explore it to see where it gets them.

As for the hours, the main intention was to play less, study more in the first place. I'm tired of mindless grinding without getting (significantly) better and want to change that, I think 4 hours / week is a bare minimum with this game...and that's for micros

Im definately interested in getting in on something like this. Im a 10nl reg

PM me when you get a chance.

I'm definitely interested. Was a 10NL player until I began focusing more on step tourneys/ went on a pretty gross downswing. Currently sitting on 2 step 4, 6 step 3, 5 step 2, and 1 step 1 ticket though so if it's important I be at the 10NL level I could start looking for Matrix tourneys to cash out and get rolled again. Just got TableNinjaFT and I'm 8-12 tabling 5NL grinding back, hopefully my level won't be equated with my interest/ commitment to the game.

Dusty Schmidt's book Treat Your Poker Like A Business (which I highly recommend) discusses the proper playing/studying time allotment for micro/SS grinders as being around 80/20 play/study. I think requiring a certain amount of time per week is going to turn a lot of people off who could otherwise be an asset to a new group. Scheduling meeting times isn't a bad idea, I just feel like punishing people for not being able to attend would be counter productive. Many of the skills needed to beat these stakes are already cemented in the minds of people spending time on this forum, it's a mater of tilt management and being disciplined enough to get in the volume necessary to move up. Not that everybody can't use a little polish, I just believe that practicing at the tables and bankroll management are the most important lessons to be learned at these stakes. I'll keep my eye on the forum as this develops!

Sorry, don't really get from this if you're interested in joining or not because you don't like my proposed format for the group?

I love the idea of starting a group and I definitely think it will help my game. My previous post was just some haphazard suggestions that came to mind when reading your original post; I was worried that some players who might not have a ton of free time might be turned away from a group with regimented scheduling. This would hurt the group as a whole because we might miss out on some quality input from those players less willing to fully commit to the group. I would certainly attend every meeting I could, but with tons of players all over the globe I think attempting to schedule meetings that suit everyone's schedule would be difficult. Maybe members could take it upon themselves to start topic-based meetings and organize some hands to discuss, then have sign up sheets so anybody available and interested could choose to attend rather than having 3 two hour blocks per week that would need to be cleared for all members. Hopefully that clears things up, I have nothing but respect for this and am pretty pumped about the idea!

Is the group already set? I woud like to join, please PM me schedles and formats. Thans

I'm really interested. Currently playing 10NL with a massive bank roll for that limit. Want to improve my game this group thing sounds awesome. Am I in?

I'm down. I play 10NL usually, but I'm transitioning back into 25NL.

This sounds awesome. Can you PM me?

OP likened this to football practice. If you never went to practice, you'd never get better. If you never set aside a time for everyone to meet up, then nobody ever would. I think having scheduling is necessary for this particular group idea (I'm not saying all groups would require the same).

Noticed you posted this on CC too CP but I'm break-even/marginal winner at 5nl atm so I don't qualify. Hope it works out, it's a great idea. I reckon I missed the boat by a month at most


EDIT: Also if you aren't prepared to or unable to commit a minimum of 4hours to study the game, I doubt a person can ever significantly improve unless they're some kind of poker prodigy.

EDIT 2: Does me being from the UK and being at uni (read lots of spare time) swing my 5nl-ness into consideration for the group? I'd love to be a part of it if that wasn't obvious. Obv not expecting anything tho.

interested, playing $25nl ATM

skype: knightfan

If Randy Moss wanted to come to practice one day on a whim, would you tell him no because he's not committed to the group? My point was that playing is, in itself, practice. Making decisions in real time is what poker is about, and I'm assuming all serious players are already reviewing their HHs after sessions to find spots that need work. I'm not sure a group is needed for this process, but I could be wrong. If I'm a member of a group and I find myself in a tough spot on 3:00pm Tuesday, I don't want to have to wait until 5:00pm Wednesday to be able to discuss it. I don't think you give serious players enough credit for being motivated to meet up; OP wants people who like to work on their game. None of these players will join a group and then never contribute because they aren't told when they should be meeting, requiring scheduling would be redundant for this particular group. Also I'm not implying that 4 hours is too much or too little, just something that I think should be fluid. I'm interested in helping set up the group if I qualify/ can help, so I figure I might as well offer my 2 cents

THe point isn't that you cannot discuss hands until an exact meeting every tuesday or w/e, u can discuss it with any member if they are on or u could still post it here on 2+2. The point of the meetings is that you gather like 1-3 hh's per person, have an overall topic of the meeting(like 3betting or some video or something) and then devote time to each part of the meeting, like 5-10 min per hh's. The meetings can be about goalsetting and whatnot. Obviously lots of things about this group are going to be flexible but in order to get it serious, you need some firm rules and scheduling meetings itb to get it going.

lol, OP i know you.
You are this guy from b2b )

The whole idea with the schedule / fixed meeting time is that it's easier both motivation-wise and more efficient.

Motivation - wise : I lack sufficient motivation to analyze HHs post session (not that I never do it, but don't do it enough) and to learn new strategy all the time. Committing to a schedule helps you commit to spending enough time studying things.

Efficiency - searching around the web, I've learned studies have shown small study groups are a more efficient way to learn.

Anyway, we have enough to get started with 6 now, plenty of interest. I'll try to sort through the skype contacts and see if we can get it going the following days. Thanks to everyone for their interest, I'll post an update when I know something for sure

Yeah I know you remember liking your name though I can only find 2 hands played against you at 10NL, maybe we played more at 20NL (that db is on another pc)