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07-07-2015 , 01:28 PM
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $10.52 - VPIP: 100, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 1
Hero (SB): $7.90 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 20, 3B: 9, AF: 2,5, Hands: 33617
BB: $5.99 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 5
UTG: $6.35 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 17, AF: 0,0, Hands: 18
MP: $5.00 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 2
CO: $3.93 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 7

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K J
3 folds, BTN calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.45) 9 5 K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.95) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.91, Hero calls $0.91

River: ($2.77) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.66, Hero ??

Is he just putting pressure on me cause I checked turn or is he taking me to valluetown ?

Guy was from russia btw.
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07-07-2015 , 01:36 PM
why don't you call and find out?
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07-07-2015 , 01:44 PM
I doubt v has AK/KQ. It's always possible. 2 pr 98, set is possible. This is a dry flop w a K. I'd say v hit something, either the 9 or K. Turn bet could be a feeler to see if you gave up. Ott I like to raise an out of nowhere bet on blanks bc it is likely to win the pot or tell you when you are way behind. As is i fold otr.

Edit: Can't raise the turn all the time on blanks or only with 1 pr hands. It should be balanced.

Last edited by bailashtoreth; 07-07-2015 at 01:50 PM.
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07-07-2015 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
why don't you call and find out?
So you think I'll be right here often enough to call ?
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07-07-2015 , 01:55 PM
personally i would bet turn
and fold ap
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07-07-2015 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by adriang
So you think I'll be right here often enough to call ?
Maybe
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07-07-2015 , 02:08 PM
raise bigger otf. Don't really understand the turn x unless you're trying to trap for value if you've seen him float and bluff turns, but no hh so were you playing the turn cautious?. Bet turn fold vs rr, if called bf river.
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07-07-2015 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DeNdReTiC
raise bigger otf. Don't really understand the turn x unless you're trying to trap for value if you've seen him float and bluff turns, but no hh so were you playing the turn cautious?. Bet turn fold vs rr, if called bf river.
You x ott to keep the pot small. Tpgk hands don't like big pots. I agree flop bet should be bigger.
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07-07-2015 , 02:17 PM
yeah i want to keep the pot smallish and give him a chance to bluff OTT. when he pots+pots though it's scary. I'm usually folding river, but given that he's from russia I called and sure enough he showed up with T8o.
Btw raising turn with this hand vs a potsized bet is awful IMO because his range is really polarized. he's either going for massive value or bluffing, never doing it with hands that I beat that will call.
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07-07-2015 , 02:59 PM
bigger on flop and bet turn- 3c is a blank so if you were ahead on flop, you are ahead on turn. i would have b/f turn. AP - fold river.

you're probably being taken to valuetown. villain limped, called flop, bombed turn PSB and bombed river PSB - that would be one hell of a bluff line and you have no read.
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07-07-2015 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth
You x ott to keep the pot small. Tpgk hands don't like big pots. I agree flop bet should be bigger.
I disagree vs a random at low micros. Even if this was a tag at 50nl we should be trying to get value ott because the player pool in general are going to be calling with much weaker. Generally at the start of a hand with value you decide how many streets of value you want to get (villain is ofcourse included in this). raise bigger otf for value, 1/2 - 2/3 cbet ott with intention of folding to a rr. If called you can make a small vbet otr with intention of folding to a rr. They're not going to be bluffing super often otr with their mediocre value hands.

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Originally Posted by adriang
yeah i want to keep the pot smallish and give him a chance to bluff OTT. when he pots+pots though it's scary. I'm usually folding river, but given that he's from russia I called and sure enough he showed up with T8o.
Btw raising turn with this hand vs a potsized bet is awful IMO because his range is really polarized. he's either going for massive value or bluffing, never doing it with hands that I beat that will call.
I don't understand this. Reraise his pot sized bet? You're first to act, I don't mean to reraise his pot sized bet after you x to him. After you x you can only call here turn. Also if he wasn't from russia which changed affected your decision, what then? You're trying to get him to bluff when you don't have any info that he floats then bluffs ott with only 1 hand. Feels like the better play here is to bet otf and ott which gives you more info to work with on a river decision. The way it was played though puts you in an awkward spot.

Last edited by DeNdReTiC; 07-07-2015 at 05:46 PM.
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07-08-2015 , 02:51 AM
Well, you are kind of right, however vs players like this who will go aggressive when you show weakness it is indeed a profitable play to just check instead of betting turn (which would have driven him out of the pot most likely). No info on this particular guy, but hey, he's from russia so I just assumed he'll go crazy if I check to him.
And I was refering to what bailashtoreth regarding a turn raise. Regarding otf sizing, I like keeping it @60% of pot because I cbet a lot and in these games they either call or they don't, no matter how much you make it. So flop I'm pretty much always betting 60% and turn I size up if I'm valuing and bet smaller if I'm bluffing/semi bluffing.
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07-08-2015 , 03:08 AM
call obviously
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07-08-2015 , 04:42 AM
u have to call, right? isn't this exactly what u wanted when u checked turn?
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07-08-2015 , 06:27 AM
just bet 3 streets on this run out vs this guy, as played call
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07-08-2015 , 11:16 AM
at these stakes there are a lot of simple sizing tells. i think he took you gently by the hand and is walking you to valuetown
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07-08-2015 , 11:29 AM
Make a note that BTN limp/calls with T8o, in addition to their betsizing while bluffing. If you detected any sort of timing tell, even better. I cannot stress how important this is.

Knowing what you know now, how should you adjust your SB raising range when this player limps on the BTN?

Preflop: Bigger. When OOP with a hand that I want to play postflop, I 5x it; if I want the limpers to fold pre, I 6x it.

Postflop: bigger on flop, bet turn and river. As played, river is a snapcall because your line has induced a bluff. If you weren't going to bet all three streets, x/c the flop.

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07-08-2015 , 02:17 PM
My impression is pot sized bets are value bets more often than not. Why are we so sure villain is bluffing the turn, and call him ?
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