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Old 08-30-2010, 06:53 PM   #76
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

calling with the intention of folding almost any flop just seems terrible. I 3bet or fold. It gives me momentum and information and allows me to take it down.
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:05 PM   #77
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

If he calls lots of 3bets and folds postflop 3bet

Otherwise call.

folding? lol
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:12 PM   #78
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hows it too nitty? wtf? its a **** hand with a ton of rio that rarely flops enough equity to semibluff. id rather flat sc's an one gappers.
Do u fold AQ too lol.
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:14 PM   #79
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calling with the intention of folding almost any flop just seems terrible. I 3bet or fold. It gives me momentum and information and allows me to take it down.
We might have well have A7o if were gonna 3b.
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:16 PM   #80
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Do u fold AQ too lol.
AJ = AQ lol

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We might have well have A7o if were gonna 3b.
AJ = A7 lol
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:22 PM   #81
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We might have well have A7o if were gonna 3b.
Sure. why not. You have a blocker to his AX hands (of which there are very few and more likely none worse than AJ), but vs a tight decent player you get no value calling with AJ. If you hit you don't get paid or are dominated, and if you don't you end up folding. I prefer doing it with A7s but that's just because I like the draws.
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:38 PM   #82
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oh so its about dominated hands. Like AQ,AK, is all we are worried about
and QQ/KK. And some AA (you have 1 blocker), and one combo of JJ. Number of combos that crush AJ are adding up fast.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:11 AM   #83
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AJ = A7 lol
Didn't realize AJ reps A7-AQ.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:12 AM   #84
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How is hero in trouble with Jxx?
You would have top pair, top kicker but no idea whether you are good and unlikely to win big pot if it's good. Especially as you didn't 3bet him so he still has JJ+ in his range.

Look at what happened on the original hand. You lost 3$ hitting top pair. Whopedoo. These losses mount up.

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What are the chances of Axx coming on the flop? And what are the chances of Jxx? To say what if Axx comes you lose...how about what if Jxx comes?
Both cases odds are you'll win small pot or lose big one. Hard to get away from TP but if you are ahead your likely getting only cbet and that's it. If you are behind you'll end up paying. If you miss you lose the 4bb(this happens 2/3 of times).

Atleast in original hand button made it easier to you but say he had folded would you have been folding turn in a hurry if it's blanck?

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and it can also be a big hand.
Sure once in a blue moon you flop 2 pair or straight. Of course you aren't quaranteed to stack opponent off when you do that though.

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Just gotta know when to fold... Just how I folded my AJ.
Yeah. Mighty good it did to you to hit top pair which happens hardly everytime. Still ended up losing the hand didn't it? So...Most of the time you miss it, sometimes you hit it and lose anyway(and lose more money in the long run) and occasionally you'll win small pot with your Jxx flop against AK/AQ/AT/small pocket pair/whatever that cbets and gives up.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:17 AM   #85
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

lol call pre is good readless, fold flop is good.

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next hand.
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:17 AM   #86
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lol call pre is good readless, fold flop is good.

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I was gonna say sticky it
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:42 AM   #87
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

Calling with AJ to hit 'big' is obv ridiculus.

Going on: If Hero really has a read about himj raising 4bb is always a premium hand, then folding is optimal.

But assuming Villian is raising a 'normal' range even though his size is $1 (Maybe Hero misread Villian's betsize because Villian opened from CO/BTN/SB and has a fixed raisesize of 3bb, whereas UTG and MP he has 4bb)

First we need to know how villian respond to 3bets (and Cbets, (in 3bet pot)) If we don't t 3betting seems pretty dumb as we don't even know we are raising for value or bluffing

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So readless, i think this is like a supereasy standard call IP with a reasonable hand? (Unless the players behind you are 3bet monkeys)
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Old 08-31-2010, 06:59 AM   #88
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So readless, i think this is like a supereasy standard call IP with a reasonable hand? (Unless the players behind you are 3bet monkeys)
I agree with this, if you can avoid losing 100 BB on an A56 flop when BTN makes a stack-threatening raise.
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