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Old 08-29-2010, 03:05 AM   #1
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Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $18.60
BB: $25.35
UTG: $46.45
MP: $70.36
Hero (CO): $20.00
BTN: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A J
1 fold, MP raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.35) A 5 6 (3 players)
MP bets $2.00, Hero calls $2, BTN raises to $8.50, MP folds, Hero???

MP is solid.

BTN just sat down, first hand. I have no reads. Super easy fold right?
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Old 08-29-2010, 03:21 AM   #2
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

yes
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Old 08-29-2010, 03:24 AM   #3
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

ye snap fold also buy in full
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Old 08-29-2010, 03:56 AM   #4
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

why is this snap fold
since btn flat call preflop, he is never gonna have better Aces
you are afraid of A5,A6, 55, 66
you beat rest of his AX
he could also raise with SFCD or NFD
is stars 25nl that tight?
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:02 AM   #5
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

if he only raises with better hands and draws that have 40%+ equity its a fold
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:16 AM   #6
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why is this snap fold
since btn flat call preflop, he is never gonna have better Aces
you are afraid of A5,A6, 55, 66
you beat rest of his AX
he could also raise with SFCD or NFD
is stars 25nl that tight?
You are out of position and even best case scenario he has ~33% equity or so(naked fd). If he has flush+straight draw he's actually ahead.

Yes you could be ahead but plenty of scarecards and it's going to get expensive to find out.

You call, turn is blanck, he bets, you what? You call, turn is another blanck. He bets, you what? Pay off his set or 2 pair hoping to bust his bluff?

You call, turn is spade, he bluffs you with his OESD.

You call, turn is 9, he bets. You do what?

By calling you put yourself in icky spot and 3betting is just horrible. Unless there's reason to believe he's playing back at you probably best to just fold and save yourself headaches. There's almost no good turn cards for you. 2 pair out in case he has 2 pair but thats about it. Could also be worst card in deck for you if he has set...(trips aren't much of outs as if you were behind unlikely to help)
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:31 AM   #7
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why is this snap fold
since btn flat call preflop, he is never gonna have better Aces
you are afraid of A5,A6, 55, 66
you beat rest of his AX
he could also raise with SFCD or NFD
is stars 25nl that tight?
He can easily have anyone of these ahnds that beat us given that he is unknown. Unless we have good reads then we shudnt be stacking off with tp
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Old 08-29-2010, 12:51 PM   #8
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why is this snap fold
reverse implied odds. calling this raise basically commits you to playing for your stack. if you're ahead right now it would only be marginally so, if you're behind you have very little way to improve.
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Old 08-29-2010, 02:59 PM   #9
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reverse implied odds. calling this raise basically commits you to playing for your stack. if you're ahead right now it would only be marginally so, if you're behind you have very little way to improve.
This. With an SPR of 6 on the flop against an unknown, stacking off with top pair 3rd kicker is spewing.
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:47 PM   #10
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

raise pre ldo?

8 responses and no one has said that, wtf ^^
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:49 PM   #11
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raise pre ldo?

8 responses and no one has said that, wtf ^^
Oh, I agree. Fold or raise pre with a hand like this.
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:51 PM   #12
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Fold preflop
are you kidding?
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:51 PM   #13
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we shud nt be 3betting this ip
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:52 PM   #14
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Re: Top Pair...but no reads = easy fold?

cant really 3bet pre for value so i dont see any reason to do anything other than calling.
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:55 PM   #15
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AJ doesn't do very well against a typical MP raising range. We are given no stats however.
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