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02-12-2016 , 09:00 AM

Clanty

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Can we make a thin call or still sigh fold vs an aggro reg

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 153.5 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: 96 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 50.3 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 24)
UTG: 380 BB (VPIP: 27.20, PFR: 23.18, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 451)
Hero (MP): 114.5 BB
CO: 200.7 BB (VPIP: 16.85, PFR: 15.73, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 93)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) J

UTG checks, Hero bets 11 BB, UTG calls 11 BB

Turn: (41.5 BB, 2 players) A

UTG checks, Hero bets 23 BB, UTG raises to 360 BB and is all-in, Hero ?

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02-12-2016 , 09:28 AM

donkeyshot

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You should provide some more reads when having a 450H sample.
How does his range look like? Is he flatting stuff like KK+/AK, QTs, 98s, 77 OOP in these positions?
How is your percieved range?
You both rep incredibly strong on this board.. This is prob the bottom of your T value range. You rep sets/2pair, not sure you have many bluffs here so when he's shoving into that range he's either nuts or has (close to) the nuts. Same hand, sets, combo draws (?)
I'd fold w/o any info. Even if he has stuff like 98ss, TJss,... you're not doing great vs. his overall range imo.

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02-12-2016 , 09:35 AM

Blue-chip-tuna

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Im fine flatting pre imo. As played shove turn.

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02-12-2016 , 09:52 AM

donkeyshot

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Sorry. For some reason I miscalc'd. Thought 38% EQ was needed but it's 31% which makes it closer. Don't think you make a big mistake either way.

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02-12-2016 , 10:13 AM

Clanty

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Originally Posted by donkeyshot

Agreed

I thhink you're right in that I am at the bottom end of my perceived range and I doubt he shows up with many bluffs here.

I probably should be folding.

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02-12-2016 , 10:31 AM

derjan

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Pbb puke folding

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02-12-2016 , 11:18 AM

mahsjdi

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I think one of your leaks is that you pot alot of money into a pot and then fold /w a good hand. Like this hand, folding here vs a spazz is bad imo think we have to call.

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02-12-2016 , 11:48 AM

tomj

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If we're bet-folding this hand then doesn't checking it back make more sense? I'd bet-call for what it's worth

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02-12-2016 , 12:28 PM

Unsporting

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Call

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02-12-2016 , 03:10 PM

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Clanty

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Originally Posted by mahsjdi

I think one of your leaks is that you pot alot of money into a pot and then fold /w a good hand. Like this hand, folding here vs a spazz is bad imo think we have to call.

I called he had QThh - I have many leaks but that is not one of them, if anything I am a station

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02-12-2016 , 03:27 PM

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Unsporting

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Std cooler. Always getting stacks in with AK here in a 3bet pot

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02-12-2016 , 04:34 PM

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R00Tee

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Yeah this is standard though I think you're beat pretty often here. Either QTs or JJ. But you'll see AJ, and KJ too and the occasional spaz.

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02-12-2016 , 05:14 PM

#13

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KJ and AJ isn't REALLY spazz, bad players will think they're ahead sometimes.

We see a lot of worse spazz in this board and in 3bet pots in general. I think folding is out of the question nearly always here.

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02-12-2016 , 05:36 PM

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TH_Poker

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crappy spot that is for sure... honestly against this guy I probably fold
played a similar hand (though not 3bet) KQo - flop was KQ2rb I cbet turn is A - I cbet and villain shoves like 150bb into like 26bb and I just sigh folded because: what do we beat?

I think calling here isn't mandatory given effective stacks and you should choose better opponents to look up for spazz or misplays

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