Villain Stats:

Hands: 4900
23/19/9.8

We have history of 3betting light and postflop aggression, as he's aggressive pre and postflop



I think flop is standard and his 3betting range there is all strong made hands and also strong draws like AKs since he knows I can raise flop with draws too.

What about turn and river play since we're so deep? QT makes up a lot of his range for keep barreling since he should pot control with all his 2pair/sets on the turn after I call flop. Fold turn? Price not bad to try and hit boat?

4.9k hands and that's the info you give us?

easy fold otr as played though

yea with 5k hands on the dude you should have a pretty good feel for him

think i'd try to GII on the flop

Quick question - if you are 3 betting light (preflop) what value hands do you raise that flop with? I just wonder if you 3b 88/99 preflop usually in these positions??

Yeah, get it in on the flop. If he's willing to put the money in right now...you're not going to get a better chance being this deep. There's a bunch of action killing cards and pretty much any card over a 9 or even just a spade is pretty bad.

I would raise flops with all sets unless it's super dry, all 2 pairs and sometimes TPTK to protect my bluffing range. I don't think this deep I can get it in on the flop and be ahead. He's not spewing 200BB without the nuts on the flop, that's why I just called.

And I do have a pretty good feel for him and have lots of notes on his play, it was just interesting hand because of how deep we were which changes things a lot even with history.

probably best to jam that flop if you have an aggressive dynamic going on. If you have history of 3betting light pre why doesnt K9 get 3bet here i wouldnt consider it all that light ? How does he react to 3bets ? call often or 4bet lots ?

Why dont you know what ranges hes doing what with in 3bet 4bet pots considering that sample size.

Not sure about getting it in otf. Shove turn now because he almost always has at least a pair and a SD and maybe also a FD or worse two pair and people do silly things this deep and don't like folding.

problem with not getting it in on the flop is 3/4 of the deck is an action killer for both of you, if he has KQ AK perhaps K8 89 and his A high draws arnt folding either on the flop , id expect his range to be pretty wide tbh with some aggressive dynamics going on. We stand to have the best hand here to often to not raise again and gii.

But for 5k hands there is such little info on villain. Its also 4 handed so top 2 is huge.

Reasonable points

Yeah K9 type of hands I mix it up, 3bet sometimes if OOP, call if IP blind vs blind like in this spot. He reacts to 3bets by calling too much, fold to 3bet is 41 so that's why I 3bet him a lot IP, but he also does a lot of 3betting and 2 barreling.

You make good points about his wide range of worse 2 pairs and draws on the flop I was just thinking that I'm either ahead or behind and wanted to pot control IP, but yeah lots of turns are bad for me and should probably decide on flop if I think my hand is good enough to shove over his 3betting range.

Do you have a 4 betting range on this flop?

The nuts? lol probably sets but like we have argued even my hand can be 4bet here. with 150BB or less I do 4bet shove here most likely. Difference here being almost 250BB deep where you need more nutted hands to get it in, the question is which hands he calls the 4bet shove on the flop that I beat? Even with history regs know that any flop 4bet this deep is usually with strong hands or strong draws, so against sets I'm drawing thin, and against most of his strong draws (AKs, KJs, QJs, QTs) which are all in his range for 3betting there, I'm only a 57% favorite. Which is the argument for getting in and collect dead money if he ever folds for the times I'm behind against a set.

yunier2002 your flop raise is very big, isnt this sizing giving away the information that we really hold a hand?

with what hands are you bluff-raising this flop and with this sizing? im asking because this looks like a sizing tell to me and if villain noted this over 5k hands he should know he´s up against 2p+ and bluffing would be suicidal for him OTF

this aint 'very' deep. sit at any deep ante table this is normal BI. flatting down is fine in an unraised pot 250bb deep if you cant profitably get it in.

You will have a lot of other 1pair hands/draws you want to flat so having a strong calling range on flop is good here for later floats/bluffs.

You want to treat very deep situations in relative hand strength rather than absolute. In this spot I'd rather have a huge draw or set or say J7h bluff than 2pair here. IF spr is lower from a 3b/4b pot then gii here is easier with 2pair. Once youre over 250bb deep the game starts to become similar to PLO in the respect of building nuts and playing draws really aggressiveness since it's just really hard to call down 250bb bluffs.

Really interesting hand. Betting to 4bet Gii on this flop just seems like too much and we certainly can't raise fold. Raise/calling doesn't seem that appealing b/c of how many different turn cards can drastically change the equity of our holding.

Probably calling down here on a lot of run outs is best and I would prefer not raising flop at this stack depth.

ship or fold flop imo
calling is just burning money, can t find a check from V and you'r folding on T or R

you want to put in 250bb in a single raised pot on the flop with 2pair?

if you just flat flop are you only doing so with bluff catchers and draws?

Villain opened and can have all sets in range in which case we are drawing dead/nearly dead + monster draws. Raising isolates you against that range.
Flatting with position lets you add strong hands to your flop peel ranges (a lot of this happens deep cause of SPR and draws). So you can still extract value from opponent bluff catchers and balance out times you bluff.

I'd wager money you'd get utterly crushed in the deep ante games.

Kind of a hard spot on the flop with a board this wet. I think the 3bet flat is good though, we don't have a bluffing range here and if we get it in we're always going to be in bad shape.

When we call flop we're going to have to call down on a lot of run outs, imo deciding which run outs to call on and which to fold on is a more interesting problem than the actual run out of this hand, but that's not so easy with the information you've given.

Would he be 3betting AKss, AA, QTss? Is he capable of bluffing on a run out that should also be really scary for him? You've played 5k hands with the guy, do you know anything else apart from the fact that he 3bets a lot and is aggressive?

Also what do you think he thinks of you?

Calling is not burning money. Getting it in on the flop is

Really glad someone said this and was so adamant about it lol. I was almost convinced earlier ITT that getting it in otf could be nearing fine. But it's 250bb in a single raised pot ffs...