+1 I'm always b/fing the turn here without reads.

Very nice post.

I think it's still worth considering different player types. There are some players which you can happily vbet second pair for three streets and be happy about it (depending on board texture).. and it's not even particularly thin.

Generally though realising who those players are is tricky so trying to exploit them in that way may actually lead to more problems (which I guess is the overall idea behind your post )

very good i can link a ton of my friends on your post now

+1, very helpful. Thanks for posting.

Nice post, but i think poker at the micros is soooo much villain dependent, i really dont think you can beat 50NL with this strategy for 5bb+ (and by villain dependent i dont mean they are all playing their own unique style, its just that they tend to really lean towards one direction like extremely lose or super nitty and obviously the most +ev strategy against those different kind of villains has to be different).

very nice, i will forward on to a uNL player im currently helping out.

Thanks MonkE, i think this guide is a very good read. I really like your style of writing and explaining, clean and simple.

I have to agree with this. villains on nl25 and nl50 will quickly exploit you if you constantly cbet flop, check/fold turn.

anyways, looking forward to part 2... This is definately worth adding another chapter to.

chapter 2 will probably be about how to lose your roll at nl100, because that's what I'm good at...

need a co-author for chapter 2? i can provide extensive references ...

Yeah I can contribute plenty to chapter 2, lol. Nice work though, solid stuff.

Understood.

Thanks for this, it nicely clears up a couple of things I thought I understood and didn't. Maybe now I do. Just maybe...

This is a very solid basic framework. You have to understand these things before you can start applying more advanced concepts. Alot of hands posted on this forum contain a fundamental mistake at some point in the hand, leading to a sticky situation. This should be added in the best-of-sticky as it's very valuable to new players and also written in an easy to understand manner.

chapter 2 pls!

Thank you for all this work. I will definitely look at this again more closely

Excellent post as long as you keep in mind its intent, which is to outline a few keep concepts regarding the playing of ABC poker in uNL, while avoiding fancy play, thin valuebetting and thin bluffing.

Much of what you said reminds me of some things good old Action Dan says in HOCG:I (such as being in a way ahead/way behind situation) This makes perfect sense since what your describing is a basically nitty (no insult intended) TAG style (but not too AG) and Dan is a self proclaimed King Nit.

He also talks a lot a bout not betting in situations where only hands that beat you will call, and hands you're beating will fold.


All in all, excellent strategies. If you do this, modifying only occasionally to exploit an obvious leak in a particular fish or to vary your play, i expect you will earn the monies at uNl.

Thanks for all the kind words. There's now a PDF of the article, many thanks to Styhn for putting a lot of effort in the lay out. (Link might go dead after a few weeks, if anyone knows a place to host it permanently?)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2OCBHN4E

I hope you guys like the article in LaTeX-style. Personally I'd prefer to read posts like this on paper instead of on a screen, that's why I decided to TeX it.

Great job, Styhn. Thanks a lot for doing this.

Very well thought out, and very well written. Thank you for taking the time to help other players. I appreciate it.

There's an error in the pdf. Example 1 in the pdf is the hole cards of Example 1 in the OP, and the flop in Example 2.

I re-read it about 4 times thinking (wtf?) because it says to not bet the turn with AQ on a Q73J board. :-)

I obviously knew that, I was just testing whether you guys were paying enough attention!

Very nice post.

I notice you emphasize a lot the fact that we should consider bluffing very very few times. I think you point out some great concepts and the examples are quite good. But if we consider that ( I just want to say i´m not that big bluffer, I usually just bluff small pots and try to chose good spots ), arent we leaving too much money on the table? Arent we becoming exploitable? "maybe maybe maybe bluff", isnt that too weak?

But then again, most players at micros are not paying attention to our game, and they are not there to exploit us. They are there to just get some action, make "some moves" and get money from whoever is willing to give it to them. So maybe a "keep it simple" kind of game will become much profitable.

Again, good post. Keep it up.

Thanks for taking the time to write this guide it is short simple and to the point 5 stars

even tho this is very basic, one MUST know these concepts forward and backward, upside down, when waken up at 3AM, on the bus, during an orgasm, and has to think about it all the time during a poker session.
It was a very nice read, i appreciate it very much!
put this into the sticky - best uNL strategy posts imo