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05-23-2017 , 12:20 PM

dsuds

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I have V marked as "big fish" and he is definitely too loose pre.

UTG: 114.5 BB (VPIP: 20.22, PFR: 15.80, 3Bet Preflop: 7.64, Hands: 1,817)
CO: 161.6 BB (VPIP: 26.90, PFR: 19.84, 3Bet Preflop: 13.29, Hands: 382)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.47, PFR: 17.44, 3Bet Preflop: 6.44, Hands: 2,318)
SB: 201.4 BB (VPIP: 24.64, PFR: 17.58, 3Bet Preflop: 10.95, Hands: 3,326)
Hero (BB): 138.1 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) A

SB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) 2

SB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

River: (34 BB, 2 players) 5

SB bets 50 BB, Hero ?

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05-23-2017 , 12:25 PM

Karrlitos1

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Not in a million years am I folding, I was actually thinking about shoving if he's a whale he never folds 2pair here.

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05-23-2017 , 12:26 PM

ARCANGEL0

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Hero calls 4 BB> jesus christ! NO! insta RR
you said it urself vill is a big fish
Same deal as the AQs hand gotta be aggro bro.
these micro guys are calling stations RR big and let them call with A7o

SB bets 50 BB, Hero ? > honestly this looks like a throll lol!

you lost the hand hence the thread

glgl

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05-23-2017 , 12:29 PM

ALongmuir

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This post is stupid. You're literally at the top of the range, so you'd be folding 100% here.
Coolers happen sometimes.

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05-23-2017 , 12:35 PM

dsuds

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Originally Posted by ALongmuir

This post is stupid. You're literally at the top of the range, so you'd be folding 100% here.
Coolers happen sometimes.

I understand that, but population at 10nl literally are never vb AQ for this sizing and bluffing in this spot

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05-23-2017 , 12:40 PM

simplelessons

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Easy call. Confused why 24/17 is a super loose big fish?

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05-23-2017 , 01:03 PM

dsuds

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Originally Posted by simplelessons

Easy call. Confused why 24/17 is a super loose big fish?

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just from the notes I had on him. ie calling QJo co vs utg

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05-23-2017 , 01:20 PM

Shamway99

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Can call river.
Can raise flop.
Can think about river raise for value V can have 55 or A5, do you think that V does not have enough worse to call reraise river?

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05-23-2017 , 02:15 PM

mrno1324

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Don't like raising flop. Obv don't fold river.

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05-23-2017 , 03:19 PM

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Drakken

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OP, are you really afraid Villain raise that SB with 43x OOP? Really? You are at the top of your range and the only hands beating you are strictly AA, QQ, and 43x. He could be playing that way with AK, all sorts of two pairs and lower sets as well. For what we know, he might be overbetting 'cause he hit his A5 OTR.

Ship it in, nh if he has either of the above, and especially take a note if he raises such low connectors from the Blinds.

Last edited by Drakken; 05-23-2017 at 03:24 PM.

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05-23-2017 , 03:26 PM

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Drakken

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

Don't like raising flop. Obv don't fold river.

True. There is nothing to protect here, I see no reason to raise that Flop. If Villain is set to barrel just take the money and shove the River laughing your ass off.

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05-24-2017 , 09:00 AM

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Ondrejik

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Im raising turn big here... and gii otr...

ap call river

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05-24-2017 , 09:18 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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Is this the new trend on 2p2? Flop and turn raise make no sense and we are not calling twice to fold vs an overbet. But lemme guess, he had AA.

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05-24-2017 , 09:21 AM

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AUSkid89

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As played, your hand looks like a one pair type hand to that guy. As Longmuir said your at the top of your range, definitely raising river as he's going to play like this w/ two pair and possibly AK

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05-24-2017 , 09:22 AM

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Ondrejik

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

Is this the new trend on 2p2? Flop and turn raise make no sense and we are not calling twice to fold vs an overbet. But lemme guess, he had AA.

turn raise makes no sense? depends on your point of view...

i´d raise T for value.

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05-24-2017 , 09:41 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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Fwiw it's great play by Vilain.

Turn raise is ridonkulous, how does it make sense...

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05-24-2017 , 11:06 AM

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dsuds

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If we're playing to protect our range we should just call down. But we shouldn't have to protect our range vs a fish, so looking back I like raising flop and gii.

I was never really thinking about folding the river. I was actually going to value jam vs a regular sizing, just because I think a regular sizing can include more 2 pairs and AK type of value bets. Given he 2x's pots, we just have a call given he can have worse for value.

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05-24-2017 , 01:10 PM

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maverickf1

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If you are folding a set here then you are def folding too often.

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05-24-2017 , 08:19 PM

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SCF

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

Is this the new trend on 2p2? Flop and turn raise make no sense and we are not calling twice to fold vs an overbet. But lemme guess, he had AA.

So we're never bluffing hearts/gutters (i.e., KT, KJ, JT) on the flop?

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05-24-2017 , 09:12 PM

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SH1591

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Top of your range here so you can't fold, if he has AA/QQ then w/e NH

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05-24-2017 , 09:40 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by dsuds

If we're playing to protect our range we should just call down. But we shouldn't have to protect our range vs a fish, so looking back I like raising flop and gii.

I'd also raise flop.

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Originally Posted by SCF

So we're never bluffing hearts/gutters (i.e., KT, KJ, JT) on the flop?

We're flatting them.

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05-25-2017 , 03:22 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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Vs reg we shouldnt have any raising range on any street but the river.

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05-25-2017 , 09:42 AM

#23

cantor1987

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Shove river

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05-25-2017 , 09:52 AM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by dsuds

just from the notes I had on him. ie calling QJo co vs utg

Make your notes specific. "Too loose" isn't very helpful when the guy's 24/17, and calls QJ vs UTG open isn't very useful for his play SB vs. BB when he opened pre. Just mark down stuff like "flat QJo CO v UTG" and then you have a very specific note that you can use in a ton of other situations.

As for the hand, you can't soul read him for AA/QQ/3h4h or something. He can have AQ/A6 maybe some other two pairs, and bluffs too.

I can usually talk myself out of jamming vs. these guys when they overbet, but even then I feel like a nit.

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05-25-2017 , 11:31 AM

#25

dsuds

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

Vs reg we shouldnt have any raising range on any street but the river.

he's not a reg and that's what makes this a clear value raise on the flop

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