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Should we make a really exploitative fold otr? Should we make a really exploitative fold otr?

05-25-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dsuds
he's not a reg and that's what makes this a clear value raise on the flop
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SB: 201.4 BB (VPIP: 24.64, PFR: 17.58, 3Bet Preflop: 10.95, Hands: 3,326)
Try again. Weak reg maybe but not big fish lol.
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05-25-2017 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
Try again. Weak reg maybe but not big fish lol.
Sure he may have normal looking stats, but I've played with this guy and you haven't. I've seen his showdowns and the hands that he chooses to bluff with, and they are ones that not even a weak reg would choose to use.

No, I won't try again. After reviewing the hand and this spot, very clear flop value raise vs this specific player.
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05-25-2017 , 01:16 PM
I don't really get why OP posted this hand.
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05-25-2017 , 01:18 PM
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I don't really get why OP posted this hand.
He lost...
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05-25-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dsuds
Sure he may have normal looking stats, but I've played with this guy and you haven't. I've seen his showdowns and the hands that he chooses to bluff with, and they are ones that not even a weak reg would choose to use.

No, I won't try again. After reviewing the hand and this spot, very clear flop value raise vs this specific player.
If you've got reads that change the hand don't expect us to divine them somehow, tell us about them in the OP.

Raising flop isn't good for a few reasons, but if you've got something in those 3k hands that tells you he's going to the felt with Ax and won't adjust then I'm massively in favour.
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05-25-2017 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Raising flop isn't good for a few reasons
Do tell. I raise flop for a few reasons as well:
1. Build a pot.
2. On an Ace high board, he can't improve to a better top pair which makes slow playing suck as he's calling raises with his decent draws and Ax hands.
3. In a BvB scenario we're less likely to get credit for a big hand so we're more likely to get paid off or 3-bet bluffed otf.
4. I'm also raising hands like 57, 78, 79, and a few other bdfd/bdsd hands.
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05-25-2017 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Do tell. I raise flop for a few reasons as well:
1. Build a pot.
2. On an Ace high board, he can't improve to a better top pair which makes slow playing suck as he's calling raises with his decent draws and Ax hands.
3. In a BvB scenario we're less likely to get credit for a big hand so we're more likely to get paid off or 3-bet bluffed otf.
4. I'm also raising hands like 57, 78, 79, and a few other bdfd/bdsd hands.
Can I ask what reason there is to raise hands like you have said with your back doors? Are we not better picking hands that have better equity when called rather than getting called and having to rely on turns to give us some small equity?
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05-25-2017 , 05:56 PM
I'm sure those hands you're thinking of are hands that I flat. Also, if I raise club hands, that means he can have hearts and I can triple when I pick up equity ott. A hand like 78 has 16 cards to improve to a fd or sd ott and can also pick up a pair on 6 others though I'll acknowledge the pairs are pretty negligible.
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05-25-2017 , 06:27 PM
This is literally the top hand in your range OP. Maybe you could exploitatively fold A2 or something if you actually had any reads on villain's river tendencies.

I don't get why we shouldn't have a flop or turn raising range vs regs. Is it because we have position? I personally would raise the turn since this is a hand I want to gii with, especially since it seems likely villain might be an awful reg.
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05-25-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
This is literally the top hand in your range OP. Maybe you could exploitatively fold A2 or something if you actually had any reads on villain's river tendencies.

I don't get why we shouldn't have a flop or turn raising range vs regs. Is it because we have position? I personally would raise the turn since this is a hand I want to gii with, especially since it seems likely villain might be an awful reg.
It's because the other guy has a range advantage in that we can only have A6, Q6(s) and 66 when he can have all of those as well as AA, QQ and AQ.
So if we start raising our handful good hands it means we really have f*ck all every time we just call. We'll have a middling ace at the very best and have a tough time handling multi street aggression from an uncapped opponent.
Same goes for turn as the 2 changes nothing.
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05-25-2017 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Do tell. I raise flop for a few reasons as well:
1. Build a pot.
2. On an Ace high board, he can't improve to a better top pair which makes slow playing suck as he's calling raises with his decent draws and Ax hands.
3. In a BvB scenario we're less likely to get credit for a big hand so we're more likely to get paid off or 3-bet bluffed otf.
4. I'm also raising hands like 57, 78, 79, and a few other bdfd/bdsd hands.
The above post already covered it, but because BvB we're capped like Postman Pat (or whatever TV character wore a cap during your childhood), and of the good hands we do have 66 is the one that's able to call down on the most run outs. It's also a board where villain should barrel frequently and it's often a mistake to take that away from someone.

So in terms of ranges I don't think it's a great idea, but I think your reasons are entirely valid and I'm always up for going aggro in these games.
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