I don't feel so good about calling flop but i think its alright but then the turn I dislike it more but dont I really think he has AJ sure he could have a set but i have a blocker to KK and had he bet larger I probably would have folded the turn but less than half pot not sure if i should. Had he bet on river im sure its a clear fold without any reads V was 23/6 What do you think? Maybe even muck pre?

Im folding this pre vs a passive fish utg multiway.
I squeeze this vs utg with ~ >12% opening range.

Well I think you played it fine.
Preflop: Given that OpenRaiser+2 Callers are already involved, you can call.

turn is a snap fold

think it is wp. Turn is definitely not a snap fold with TP and OESD...

Let him be .. Those guys make us rich. I Think iTS Well played and I Wouldn't fold my hand before river.

Why? What range do you assign btn?

Do people just come on here to give bad advice?

The guy can easily be stealing, being last to act on flop. Can he have KQ, AK? Yes. But he could also have draws.

Folding the turn for when you need to 23% if he has a made hand that's better than yours. Sheesh, the quality of these forums

We are just discussing this.

What do you expect? If you don't assume that alot of noise and bad advice gets posted you are being naive. The whole point of this forum is to come up with better advice, correcting the terrible advice. This helps alot of players, like myself for example. And yes, im guilty of posting terrible flawed advice as well from time to time. Don't be so harsh.

Holy **** nits itt

I count only a single nit.

@siebenacht: you are a confirmed nit as well

Yeah, but not on this turn.

wp

@siebenacht: true that.

The nice thing about these forums is that players approach the game in different ways, some may be more nitty, some may be more creative. Here you get to share your opinions and learn a thing or two from players who approach the game differently.

Having said that the advice to snap fold the turn here is a bit 2 nitty for my taste

Dont like to play KJo multiway, esp if we dont fold to a bet, i even fold or squeeze KQo here.
Chances we hit two pair or better arent that great to justify a call 4-way i think, i would more like to call a suited Ace or a mid pp, maybe KJs but KJo just sucks i think.

Flop is close to fold, other players could slowplay, he can have many draws, sets better K and you are oop.
Turn you propably was str8mining, you call 3 bucks with 8 outs, close, somtimes he has a draw.
But i think pre and flop is -EV.

Preflop is fine. We are facing an UTG raise, so a squeeze is dicey readless. However, we're getting 5:1 odds and closing the action pre. Even if we c/f a bunch on the flop, we can still easily make a profit with this hand in our range. We should easily be able to do better than -100bb/100.

Post-flop also seems fine. BTN can have plenty of Tx and semibluffs on this flop after it checks to him. The turn isn't a great card, but we block gutters that got there and likely still have outs. We have a bluff catcher and a potentially tough decision on the river, but villain was nice enough to check back. I expect to see mostly KQ, KJ and QJ here, with the occasional AcXc which is just giving up.

A range that crushes heroes

people have this massive leak on these forums where they add random hands. into peoples ranges to justify bad calls

btn called an utg raise preflop
bet the flop 4 way the proceeded to also bet the turn

what do you think he has 23s?

it is also funny that people have started to call standard plays "nitty" these days

I guess people rather call down in situations where it's ridiculously bad to seem non nitty so they can brag on 2p2 how bad ass they are

Pretty much. Factor in that it's going to be a 4-straight if we hit, and it's just a pure pot odds spot.

You really think we do worse than -100bb/100 calling this pre? Or am I a wreckless badass.

I am defending almost atc pre in this spot and tbh I love making easy money off lazy regs who cbfd defending their BB correctly or fall into the lulz I haz to 3b or fold pre camp in BB .

Ever heard of playing a raise river only strat? Pretty much you put the fear of God into a remotely competent player when they feel like emptying the clip vs your BB defense because FYI you can remain nuttish with a x/c x/c x line despite what many people assume.

I was speaking about the turn since that's what we were discussing

Honestly thou calling pre would be breakeven at best after rake

Going multiway vs UTG -> BTN CC with KJo is definitely not the best situation ever

This just seems like a whole lot of meaningless gibberish to me.

I've seen a lot of your threads recently and you seem to have this unyielding obsession with taking weird obscure lines to boost your ego.

You need to expand your mindset and get away from the whole "nitty" vs "lag" mindset since most of that is useless in this day and age. There is only +EV or -EV and you seem to love taking -EV lines to seem special.

I don't mind criticism. However I still think it's totally standard to take exploitive lines to max value vs various villains' tendencies.

I know I have leaks but stacking off light isn't one of them. Also having conservative BRM accommodates for said practice.

Venturing into the small-mid stakes field (should that day come) I might be more concerned about EV and having a more mathematical approach to the game.