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opponent takes weird line, call river 2!? opponent takes weird line, call river 2!?

02-22-2017 , 08:44 PM
literally first hand i sat down, I paid the bb to come in early.

preflop pretty standard, I don't want to 3bet a hand like k10o when I'm already getting 4.5:1 odds on my call.

flop standard I check it over to him he checks back.
turn brings 2pair I decide to go for some value.
River it kinda looks like he has a king and could potentially call a bet here, would anyone advocate a c/c i did consider it for a bit.
After the raise it really looks like the only hands he could have here are J8s or QJ

I think qj would definitely be raising the turn or maybe even betting the flop, same as J8s that hand would bet the flop

his line really doesn't make sense to me, maybe he riverred a weaker 2 pair and is going for value, I'm guessing I do beat some of his value range here and I'm quite high up in my range aswell..


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $10.00 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (UTG): $10.00
MP: $10.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: $11.66 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, Hero posts penalty blind $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.25) Hero has K T

Hero checks, fold, CO raises to $0.20, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.55, 2 players) T 7 5
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.55, 2 players) K
Hero bets $0.39, CO calls $0.39

River: ($1.33, 2 players) 9
Hero bets $0.93, CO raises to $2.50, Hero ???
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02-23-2017 , 10:20 AM
68s gets there, too. Flopped sets might play this way since you did just post and it's not likely you have much of a hand. River raises are usually the nuts though unless you have a completely horrid image.
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02-23-2017 , 10:36 AM
I think 3betting pre is good, we are oop with a pretty weak hand. I agree the price feels good but we can call with all mediocre hands oop when the price is good because as you see, we are sometimes faced we hard decisions.
Ap, id fold this, the only hands we beat and realistically take this line are K9 and perhaps 79
Qj is not betting flop and is also not raising turn as you are never folding here if you turned a K. Likewise j8 could be betting flop but dont assume every villain will do so. Villains range otr when he check raises is heavily weighed towards gutters that made straights.
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02-23-2017 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
68s gets there, too. Flopped sets might play this way since you did just post and it's not likely you have much of a hand. River raises are usually the nuts though unless you have a completely horrid image.
Would a flop set really play this way? So dangerous with 2 flush draws and a semi coordinated board.. So is a set really a river raise here from V? (Besides a set of 9s)


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Originally Posted by DomnulPescar
I think 3betting pre is good, we are oop with a pretty weak hand. I agree the price feels good but we can call with all mediocre hands oop when the price is good because as you see, we are sometimes faced we hard decisions.
Ap, id fold this, the only hands we beat and realistically take this line are K9 and perhaps 79
Qj is not betting flop and is also not raising turn as you are never folding here if you turned a K. Likewise j8 could be betting flop but dont assume every villain will do so. Villains range otr when he check raises is heavily weighed towards gutters that made straights.
What kind of hands would you advocate flatting here? K10o just seems way too easily dominated and doesn't have enough playability across boards for me to want to pile money in on a bluff that will underrealise postflop
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02-23-2017 , 11:07 PM
well played
now fold
what other hands will you play this way? sets and straights and some missed draws that have a Q or J? so you can fold basically half your range which includes a few bluffs plus KT, 55 and call with 77, QJ. Agree?
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02-23-2017 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GloryRising
well played
now fold
what other hands will you play this way? sets and straights and some missed draws that have a Q or J? so you can fold basically half your range which includes a few bluffs plus KT, 55 and call with 77, QJ. Agree?
I think k10o is a call, top two seems too high up in my range, I will have some one pair k hands here and other weaker 2 pairs that I can fold I think 55 might also be a call QJo and J8s would be 3 bets OTR QJs would be a 3bet pre j8s id raise river because I block QJ

Which leaves my calling range at 2 hands 77 and 68s I think that's leaving me open to be overbluffed. I advocate a much more GTO theory when I first sit down at the table and I think KTo is in that call range. Is my calling range too wide here?
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02-24-2017 , 12:30 AM
Call.

T9, AT, QQ, AA (arguably slowplayed), JJ, any low pair all fit in this hand.

He has a set... unlikely. If you worry about a set in every hand, you'll miss out on winnings more than you protect your losses. That's poker. It happens.

So your one fear is QJ, and that he stayed in after you bet beyond his draw odds. You have to call around $1.50 for a $4.75 pot. 3-to-1 payout against odd-chance QJ or pocket set?
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02-24-2017 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtol
What kind of hands would you advocate flatting here? K10o just seems way too easily dominated and doesn't have enough playability across boards for me to want to pile money in on a bluff that will underrealise postflop
im personally 3bet bluffing JKo and KQo/s blinds vs btn open raise but this hand is a different scenario but for 1bb i guess we can just call and see a flop, w/e
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02-24-2017 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtol
Would a flop set really play this way? So dangerous with 2 flush draws and a semi coordinated board.. So is a set really a river raise here from V? (Besides a set of 9s)
Probably not the population most of the time, no. I might in this scenario because you posted UTG and have two completely random cards out of the deck you could have called with. If I bet a set otf there isn't going to be much value out of it because it's likely you have two napkins and will just fold. You're probably right though most of the time a set will bet the flop to build a pot on such a coordinated board hoping you call with any pair.

I don't do it all the time for obvious reasons.
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