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Old 07-27-2008, 07:07 PM   #201
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

Here's some basic stats and graphs. My stats are pretty similar to my 25NL (at lleast the basic ones) where I was a solid winner but now I'm getting torn apart at 50NL. Can anyone take some shots at finding some leaks?




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Old 07-27-2008, 07:41 PM   #202
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

What are the reasons for my W$SD% being really low?
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Old 07-28-2008, 12:51 AM   #203
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Hello

So I deposited money on Everest Poker a few weeks ago and ~15k hands later I'm up ~ $100 + bonus playing 10nl. I'm a bit disappointed because my winrate is not as high as I expected it to be. I'm in a big downswing as you can see on my graph, which hurt my winrate. BTW, is a 7000 hands downswing standard at 10nl?

I dont feel like I got really unlucky as I didn't suffer too much bad beats but I think I got coolered quite a few times.

I think I'm decent preflop but I got big leaks post-flop. I've trouble value betting my hands on late streets as my river AF proves it. Apart from that.. not much to say. I play ABC poker, very rarely slowplay, bet with good hands and check weak hands. The players at Everest poker 10nl are very weak so most of the time I do nothing tricky...






Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you!
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:19 AM   #204
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

It looks like we can't edit our posts when it's been too long so:


Here I include my global stats which I had, by accident, removed from the screenshot in my previous post (the third line, in white)

Please note that all 15k hands are at 6max. For some reason, Poker tracker treats some tables as normal and others as 6max but all hands for which I posted the stats here were played at 6max tables.
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Old 07-28-2008, 06:12 AM   #205
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

I guess I play different then most people here..
Sample size is small, lost my other database, but had same trends (100k ish hands in total). I 4-6 table 50NL.

Thoughts and comments are appreciated.

PT3 stats

VPIP/PFR/AF: 19/15/2
W$WSF: 47
WTSD: 32
W$SD: 53
3Bet: 6
4Bet: 12 (??)
Att to steal: 26



It's pretty high variance, but so far results are reasonable (rough estimate: 3.5 - 4 ptbb/100). It didn't work at all though at 20NL. (maybe 2ptbb/100). I'm very curious to find out if it will work at higher limits.
I tried to find something in stats which would explain why non showdown winnings are so high, but none of my numbers seem out of the ordinary.

Tips on finding a balance between showdown and non-showdown winnings?
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Old 07-28-2008, 12:10 PM   #206
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

Hey guys!

This are my first hands at NL cash, all 6-max at pokerstars!

How u like my stats? Any suggestions, big leaks ?

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Old 07-28-2008, 08:40 PM   #207
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

Hi guys, my first 10k hands at 6 max NL.. was primarly a SNG player before this. Any advice is greatly appreciated.



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Old 07-28-2008, 10:02 PM   #208
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My first 15k back at 25nl after stopping poker for awhile.

My confidence varies a lot and i'm wondering if there's anything glaring in here before I step up to 50nl.

Thanks in advance!





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Old 07-30-2008, 12:11 PM   #209
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Nobody?
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:29 PM   #210
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I'm sorry I'm not one to give stats advice. I just wanna say I'm amazed that there's two people on this page whose winnings come entirely from nonSD pots. I didn't know that was possible at microstakes. Will probably be really good for you guys when you move up, though you're probably making life more difficult than it needs to be at the micros. I have a similar winrate and all I really do is zone out and valuebet the fish. Looks like you guys are spending all your energy bluffing players like me.

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Old 07-30-2008, 07:03 PM   #211
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

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Hi guys, my first 10k hands at 6 max NL.. was primarly a SNG player before this. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Welcome to the micros.
I see a lot of good things.
You are positionally aware.
Your went to show down, win at show down, W$WSF are good.

Some things to improve:
VPIP/PFR from SB is high. Fold or rise from SB leaning more towards fold.

Overall you are winning even though the sample size is small. I was losing at 10Nl too because I could not take a 2$ bet seriously.
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:07 PM   #212
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Hey guys!
This are my first hands at NL cash, all 6-max at pokerstars!
How u like my stats? Any suggestions, big leaks ?
Solid winrate and volume IMO.
All the stats point to solid play.
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Old 07-31-2008, 11:31 AM   #213
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

Please give me some comments for my first 20K+ hands. Thanks


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Old 07-31-2008, 12:04 PM   #214
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PhFr, You are a nut peddler. It will work fine at 10NL to grind out a small PTBB/100, but as you move up you need to venture into the semi-bluff waters. I think it would be good for you to watch some videos users have posted just to see what hands they open that you don't, and what hands they raise after limpers. I'd want to bump up VPIP a little, PFR a lot, steal a lot. This will make you the aggressor more often and naturally your W$w/oSD will rise as you take down those pots where you used to find yourself limping and folding.
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:32 PM   #215
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Thank you very much Genesis. That makes sence to me.
And I will look for the videoes in here. Thank you again.
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:49 PM   #216
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Welcome to the micros.
I see a lot of good things.
You are positionally aware.
Your went to show down, win at show down, W$WSF are good.

Some things to improve:
VPIP/PFR from SB is high. Fold or rise from SB leaning more towards fold.

Overall you are winning even though the sample size is small. I was losing at 10Nl too because I could not take a 2$ bet seriously.
thank you very much

it's been an adjustment. Cash is a different animal compared to SNGs, to say the least. I'm glad you found a leak, gives me something to work on.
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Old 07-31-2008, 04:21 PM   #217
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

Does anyone can spot my leaks?
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:01 PM   #218
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

I could really use some help about what im doing wrong.

VPIP/PFR/AF: 18/15/5
W$WSF: 42
WTSD: 25
W$SD: 54
3Bet: 6
4Bet: 4
Att to steal: 24

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Old 08-01-2008, 07:27 AM   #219
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I'd help you if I knew what to tell you motu.

Can anybody who uses HM or PT3 tell me what their fold to 3bet% is? I really have no idea what is even close to standard. I'm pretty sure I don't fold enough. My ego makes me call to try and bust them and I never do.
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Old 08-01-2008, 07:37 AM   #220
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my fold to 3bet is 77%.

(running at 4.6ptbb/100 over 25k hands)

Generally what I see on NL50, people call 3 bets waaaay too wide and too often. That's why I keep making money out of those people imo. Usually it's just a bad idea to setmine/playback...

You might want to call a 3bet every once in a while with stuff like AQ+; 88-JJ for value in position, to outplay him. But lower to that it's often just spew, not for value etc. Lower you could just 4betbluff, or fold imo... Higher, obviously, you can trap or 4bet/call whatever.

Just some general thoughts that popped up in my head
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Old 08-01-2008, 07:44 AM   #221
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Thanks, that's what I'm looking for. I'm only folding 50% or so, though at 25NL I get min3bet a lot so that jacks my numbers up.

So as a default you're only calling standard 3bets with TT+ and AK and only occasionally AQ and 88-99?

Edit: I would think your fold % would be higher in that case. I still suck at math so I don't know.

Edit2: And I just realized fold to 3bet % is going to be tied to PFR as well, so maybe it would be better to ask what fixed range of hands people are calling 3bets with, assuming standard 3bet size and no super reads. And yeah I know this changes in position and out of position and all that stuff.

Edit3: Dammit this just doesn't work too well. Too many variables. Would still be interested in people's 3bet% combined with PFR to get some general idea of how others are playing.

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Old 08-01-2008, 08:35 AM   #222
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nah I hardly ever flat a 3bet anyways... Setmining is not profitable 100bbs deep usually, 'cause people are indeed 3betting light. Calling 3bets OOP is generally a very bad idea imo.

Which leads me to: 4bet/calling or folding most of the time... 4bet as a bluff maybe ~10-15% of the time, really villain dependent. If he's very aggro +TAGgy, I'm more inclined to 4betbluff BTN vs Blinds e.g. obviously.

AK;QQ+ I'm very often just 4bet/calling or sometimes flatting in position if he's aggro postflop.


Those 99-JJ + AQ hands are where my trouble lies atm. I'm often flatting these type of hands (maybe also some AJs, occasionally lower PPs, KQs eventually) against aggro villains who I certainly KNOW will 3bet me light, so there has to be some history between villain + me for me to flat a 3bet like that.

fwiw I'm usually running ~19/15 or something like that, depending on tables obviously...


dunno how to mathematically explain my 77%, but some other thoughts that popped up here... dunno if it's the same I said before, currently should be learning stupid physics, so my head is somewhere else (and I am distracting myself so that I don't have to learn obviously... lol)
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Old 08-02-2008, 03:33 AM   #223
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

My stats for NL10:












Also, I have lost $278.15 in nonshowdown pots, which is -4.6 BB/100. How bad is this?

Any other advice/suggestions appreciated.
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Old 08-02-2008, 01:42 PM   #224
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why do i suck ? why wont people fold? if you look at the graph, i had some success making people fold on the flop, but my showdown winnings where pathetic. i guess i was getting into to many marginal situations. then i decided to be less aggressive, showdown winnnigs are rebounding. BUt i am getting raped on the Flop. so whats the answer. how do i improve both the flop and showdown winnings? cause i am not liking loosing so much money without a showdown. and clearly Dolye brunsons strategy of cbetting doesnt pay off cause i am cbeting 70+ and people are not folding. i get raised, called, floated, lead into, bluffed. etc. and to compensate i tried 3,4 betting, floating and semi bluffing with no success, so WTF?

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Old 08-07-2008, 01:30 PM   #225
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

it seems that i have some problems with my game because im losing money like crazy at nl50.

my stats over 31619 hands are:

vpip%: 20.7%
pfr%: 16.8%
3bet%: 6.4%
wtsd%: 25.8%
w$sd%: 50.6%
agg: 3.15
agg%: 30.9%
cc%: 9.6%
flop cbet%: 63.7%
turn cbet%: 59%
steal from cutoff: 30.8%
steal from button: 36.7%

i have similar stats from nl25 and ther im at 7.32 bb/100 winner over 50k hands. but at nl50 im a 8.33 bb/100 loser. some of it is from tilt and running bad, but i must do something wrong.

anyone got any ideas what to look at?
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