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12-11-2009 , 01:02 PM
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Yea, I would run those same filters on the 100nl hands, I really feel like that kind of playing style is a bit exploitable and hard to win with
Found 18,384 hands, +$532.10, but -$344.80 EV diff.
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12-11-2009 , 01:06 PM
That query led to finding this hand, which was kinda fun:

UTG is hudge fish.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $276.60
UTG: $67.90
MP: $103.00
CO: $213.30
Hero (BTN): $99.50
SB: $99.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 7 5
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($4.00) 9 6 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, UTG folds, Hero calls $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($13.00) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $10, Hero raises to $32, SB calls $32, BB raises to $272.60 all in, Hero calls $63.50 all in, SB calls $63 all in

River: ($299.00) 6 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: $299.00
BB shows 9 4 (two pair, Nines and Sixes)
Hero shows 7 5 (a straight, Three to Seven)
SB mucks 8 5
Hero wins $1.00
Hero wins $295.00
(Rake: $3.00)
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12-11-2009 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SomethingClever
Found 18,384 hands, +$532.10, but -$344.80 EV diff.
Hmmm, interesting.

Well, feel like I can't really say much if you're winning while calling that much (this is with pocket pairs off right?)
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12-11-2009 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeyav
Hmmm, interesting.

Well, feel like I can't really say much if you're winning while calling that much (this is with pocket pairs off right?)
Yeah pocket pairs are off. But remember that factoring in the EV I should only be up $190 or so. Not a ton over 18k hands, but still slightly +ev I guess.

With PP turned on I get 24,563 hands, +$3210.70, EV -$456.92
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12-11-2009 , 01:59 PM
Also my winrate does kind of suck at 100nl -- I must have some leaks. That's why I'm playing 25nl at the moment... because the variance at 100nl+ makes me crazy.

Any other ideas on potential stat-based leaks? I know posting hands is best.
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12-11-2009 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SomethingClever
Also my winrate does kind of suck at 100nl -- I must have some leaks. That's why I'm playing 25nl at the moment... because the variance at 100nl+ makes me crazy.

Any other ideas on potential stat-based leaks? I know posting hands is best.
You aren't playing with the initiative often enough... it probably follows that you're playing OOP too often.

A few fixes:
- Widen your range in CO/BTN, get that steal % up to 30-35%~.
- Quit calling raises preflop, 7% gap is a bit too much. Start 3-betting some of those hands that you normally call with. Low pockets/suited connectors should be folded from the blinds. They also make decent hands to 3-bet against a steal attempt.

I really think it's a good thing that the obvious leaks are your preflop game. If you fix this part of your game then stats like W$SD, W$WSF, WTSD, and bb/100 should all increase.
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12-11-2009 , 07:42 PM
so ive been studying my stats. this past week im -100 but my ev is -40. what does this mean? that im running a little bad?
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12-12-2009 , 06:17 PM
My first 10k hands at 10NL... According to my AIEV graph, I'm running bad, but I'd still like my EV to be better than break even. Any comments help, thanks.

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12-12-2009 , 09:12 PM
This is my graph over the past month for 2NL, has about 3k hands...is this an acceptable winrate to move up to 5NL? My bankroll is $100.

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12-12-2009 , 10:16 PM
Here's a pickle. I am playing basically the same stats, over the same sample size, with dramatically different results between 5nl and 10nl. 5nl position stats are on top and 10nl stats are on bottom.

bueller?



how much of this madness can be chalked up to variance and standard deviation? if std.dev. is the likely answer, i have to be hitting the extremes pretty hard here. just as i dont think i am a losing player at 10nl, i surely dont think i would sustain this winrate at 5nl, either.
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12-13-2009 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nicetake
This is my graph over the past month for 2NL, has about 3k hands...is this an acceptable winrate to move up to 5NL? My bankroll is $100.

Yes.
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12-13-2009 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chopper5654
Here's a pickle. I am playing basically the same stats, over the same sample size, with dramatically different results between 5nl and 10nl. 5nl position stats are on top and 10nl stats are on bottom.

bueller?



how much of this madness can be chalked up to variance and standard deviation? if std.dev. is the likely answer, i have to be hitting the extremes pretty hard here. just as i dont think i am a losing player at 10nl, i surely dont think i would sustain this winrate at 5nl, either.
You can't really just look at preflop stats. Yours look fine. At least fine enough to be winning at decent clip. I'm going to say the reason lies in your postflop play. Do some more HH reviews, post more HH's.
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12-13-2009 , 10:46 AM
Okay my first 10K hands at NL25 and I need help
Thought I did good at NL10 built my roll to 1K but now find out that I suck

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12-13-2009 , 07:17 PM
Alltime stats:





Alltimegraph:


My last 5k hand session on NL5:
Posstats



Maybe someone can tell me if my stats are good or not. And what i could do better.
Thanks in advance
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12-14-2009 , 04:07 PM
Just played my 100K hand yesterday. 60K 10NL, 40K 25NL. Any tips for my red line or anything else would be greatly appreciated.




Last edited by icantlaythisdown; 12-14-2009 at 04:26 PM.
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12-15-2009 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by icantlaythisdown
Just played my 100K hand yesterday. 60K 10NL, 40K 25NL. Any tips for my red line or anything else would be greatly appreciated.



19/15 is too tight for 6max imo. if you hit 100k i'm guessing you are multitabling serious volume? maybe consider playing less tables to improve!?

how your red line acts does depend alot on your style. i.e a shortstacker who push bots a wide range will have a different red line to a TAG with 100bb. both can be winning players but dont get too caught up in red line manipulation.

some things that mght help:
watch where you're c-betting, your c-bets are in the 60%+, u dont hit a flop that often, maybe toning this down will limit your losses if you just keep randomly c-betting with air.

STOP PLAYING OUT OF POSITION. this kills a red line. completing from sb, that small blind of yours is going tobe lost to rake anyway, so just let it go.

bet your draws, give yourself 2 chances to win the pot, opp folds or you hit and scoop.

also, the amount of 3bets that you call with hands like AQ, AJ, KQo will and fold when you miss will effect your redline too. again, if oop and you get 3bet by a decent player, AQ or worse is allowed to sometimes hit the much. but dont become predictable.
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12-15-2009 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by maiknait
Okay my first 10K hands at NL25 and I need help
Thought I did good at NL10 built my roll to 1K but now find out that I suck

for 6max far too tight imo. 1k is nicely over rolled for nl25. this is a good habit to get into and will prevent you from going broke.

are you playing any different with the move up in level? play the same game you used to beat 10nl. dont OVERLY adjust to a start playing a losing style to protect your $$.
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12-15-2009 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by aliveftw
Alltime stats:





Alltimegraph:


My last 5k hand session on NL5:
Posstats



Maybe someone can tell me if my stats are good or not. And what i could do better.
Thanks in advance
1 in 4 times your playing the small blind. use your fold button more liberally here. as you move up you'll begin to realise alot more that playing hands oop is such a chore.

u can see the change in your style and how it affected your redline. dont be too upset that your redline as sliding south. this is generally a positive if your profit is going up with the change in style.
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12-15-2009 , 05:29 AM
Trying to play a more LAG game, would like to open up my game even more to around 30/27 or so, but I guess I'm not comfortable playing that loose yet. How do my stats look? Anything I should work on?



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12-15-2009 , 10:03 AM
cant give any advice to you, zeeba. i wish i could run laggier. it is definitely more entertaining.
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12-15-2009 , 12:30 PM
I have 20k 10NL, and am looking to move up, but I still have three big problems I want to get sorted first.









1) I seem to have a problem with playing HJ. Should my CB% be going down as my position gets worse? I've noticed that it's bascially even regardless of position. Is this a big leak?

2) I'm not satisfied with my button win rate. I think this may have to do with my bet sizing... the further away from the button, the more I bet to discourage callers. I also change my steal size based on the players that have to call it. MinRaise steal on the button against a couple of 10/8 nits, (they fold the vast majority anyways, right?), higher against passive calling stations, lower/minR vs. aggro stations that are likely to be pushing me off any flop I miss. That sort of thing.

Does anyone have any experience trying smaller steal sizes vs. larger ones... which gets a more effective winrate?


3) My Non-SD winrate is atrocious. Can anyone tell me if that's more a function of folding too much or not being aggressive enough stealing pots against players that clearly have little to nothing? Is this just a function of playing the blinds so much? (Most of my nonSD loses are coming from the blinds.... but my overall winrate in the blinds is great. No comprendo.) Am I just being too greedy?

NonSD postional stats:
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12-15-2009 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by svj888
I have 20k 10NL, and am looking to move up, but I still have three big problems I want to get sorted first.









1) I seem to have a problem with playing HJ. Should my CB% be going down as my position gets worse? I've noticed that it's bascially even regardless of position. Is this a big leak?

2) I'm not satisfied with my button win rate. I think this may have to do with my bet sizing... the further away from the button, the more I bet to discourage callers. I also change my steal size based on the players that have to call it. MinRaise steal on the button against a couple of 10/8 nits, (they fold the vast majority anyways, right?), higher against passive calling stations, lower/minR vs. aggro stations that are likely to be pushing me off any flop I miss. That sort of thing.

Does anyone have any experience trying smaller steal sizes vs. larger ones... which gets a more effective winrate?


3) My Non-SD winrate is atrocious. Can anyone tell me if that's more a function of folding too much or not being aggressive enough stealing pots against players that clearly have little to nothing? Is this just a function of playing the blinds so much? (Most of my nonSD loses are coming from the blinds.... but my overall winrate in the blinds is great. No comprendo.) Am I just being too greedy?

NonSD postional stats:
2) re bet sizing, at 10nl, i'd raise to 0.30, be it from utg, or from the button or whatever. 0.30 would be my standard open, or 0.40 if there's a limper. if there's 2 limpers just bet the pot if i'm raising.

Don't auto c-bet from the button. Think about what you think your opponent has and what your opponent thinks you have. If you're constantly getting looked up with c-bets, lower their frequency, or even postpone them to the turn.

Also, often players will lead into you after a button raise. don't give these up so easily. be hard to play against.

You raise QT on the button, and get called, pot is 70c and the board comes 552 and villain leads into you. ok, you;ve missed, but has he really hit that board? if you're going to rereaise, say he leads for 40c into 70c, dont click it back to 80c, make it 1.05 or something similar.

3) As you move up this leak will get bigger and bigger. The sb is there to be folded. That 1/2 bb is going to be lost to rake anyway if you win, so just accept its gone. Play TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT from the sb. if its folded around to you and you have 85off against a nit in the bb, betting 25c might win the pot this time, well done you won 10c. And maybe next time too... but then he calls. flop is K84, do you cbet? Do you bet 35c? if he reraises you gotta fold? if he flats are you double barreling into a nit? losing more? in short, fold the small blind.
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12-15-2009 , 04:55 PM
i play 5nl and was wondering if it matters if my non-showdown winnings in the red? my showdown winnings are like $490, my non-showdown winnings are like, -$130.. so my total is around $360. is this just due passive play, or because it is such a low limit? sample is over 42k hands.
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12-15-2009 , 08:21 PM
red line take: uNL.....not so important so long as you remain profitable. sure, its sexy to have a flat red line....or one that doesnt look like it's killing you. but, at the micro levels, there are far better spots than trying to 2barrel and call c/r's and fret over being blown off pots. just make your value and move up.

(fyi, though, the best way to flatten your red line, at the micros, is to THREEBET WIDE, especially to those that fold too often to 3bets and cbets)

players at the micros call too much with worse and take other bad hands too far, like chasing unprofitable draws. if you are in a lot of pots with them (as you should be) and have to fold to their aggression (which you should), your red line drops like a rock. also, if you 2barrel a draw, and the tag wont fold...you valuebet 2 streets and the river hits all the draws....you run a small bluff and get called....etc, etc, your red line will drop. these players (at least the ones i like to play against) dont have a clue where the fold button is. keep it that way....and move up.

in other words, dont lose sleep studying your red line at the micros. it isnt necessary....yet.
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12-15-2009 , 09:40 PM
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2) re bet sizing, at 10nl, i'd raise to 0.30, be it from utg, or from the button or whatever. 0.30 would be my standard open, or 0.40 if there's a limper. if there's 2 limpers just bet the pot if i'm raising.

Don't auto c-bet from the button. Think about what you think your opponent has and what your opponent thinks you have. If you're constantly getting looked up with c-bets, lower their frequency, or even postpone them to the turn.

Also, often players will lead into you after a button raise. don't give these up so easily. be hard to play against.

You raise QT on the button, and get called, pot is 70c and the board comes 552 and villain leads into you. ok, you;ve missed, but has he really hit that board? if you're going to rereaise, say he leads for 40c into 70c, dont click it back to 80c, make it 1.05 or something similar.

3) As you move up this leak will get bigger and bigger. The sb is there to be folded. That 1/2 bb is going to be lost to rake anyway if you win, so just accept its gone. Play TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT from the sb. if its folded around to you and you have 85off against a nit in the bb, betting 25c might win the pot this time, well done you won 10c. And maybe next time too... but then he calls. flop is K84, do you cbet? Do you bet 35c? if he reraises you gotta fold? if he flats are you double barreling into a nit? losing more? in short, fold the small blind.

Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. If you don't mind, could I ask for a little clarification?

3) I'm currently doing very well overall from the blinds, almost making back the blind money, but its all coming from SD hands. I'm not sure how tightening up my Sb range increases my winrate. When I remove all pairs, SCs, and broadway combos, (leaving junk), I'm still losing less money than I would by folding. So I don't follow as to why tightening the blind would be good. Any clarification you could give would be greatly appreciated.


As asked, I see a 10/8 type nit in BB, presently I minR in SB.
Bet .15 to win .15.
I only need a 50% fold rate to be ahead, assuming I can play breakeven or better postflop. After that, I play fairly honestly, unless there is a very exploitable weakness (very high or very low fold rate, very high or very low aggression, etc.), because I can get a lot more than 50% fold rate pre-flop. Against said nit, I'm throwing out a .20 CB into a .30 pot, and shutting down to any resistance, as there's no draws. The only thing I'm beating is an Ax he decided to float, and 77-55. Is that a bad line?
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