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Old 06-30-2008, 10:23 PM   #101
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

Ok, first 10k hands of NL25 are done and I would love any thoughts/feedback on my stats.


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Old 07-01-2008, 02:07 AM   #102
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Going through a downswing at the moment. Could be variance, but I want to make sure there are not any obvious leaks with my stats. My play is straightfoward: I find loose tables and play pretty tight. I recently I have been trying to thinly value bet pp's and I started double barreling every once in a great while against TAGs who float me when I have a marginal hand.

Also, I think part of the problem with my win rate is that I was playing 10 NL on FTP and getting owned by the rake. I am moving to PokerStars at least temporarily.





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Old 07-01-2008, 10:34 AM   #103
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Going through a downswing at the moment. Could be variance, but I want to make sure there are not any obvious leaks with my stats. My play is straightfoward: I find loose tables and play pretty tight. I recently I have been trying to thinly value bet pp's and I started double barreling every once in a great while against TAGs who float me when I have a marginal hand.

Also, I think part of the problem with my win rate is that I was playing 10 NL on FTP and getting owned by the rake. I am moving to PokerStars at least temporarily.

Open up in late position, steal can be 30+% ish without problem at that level.

Compared to my NL10 stats you seem to have a lot more variance and more turn aggression. Maybe you should play more carefully after the flop. Try to keep the pot small if you don't hold something big. Because so few people raise at that level, it's easy to decide the pot size and reduce variance.
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:39 AM   #104
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In my experience so few people call cbets with air at NL10 that double-barelling and value betting the turn isn't very good. I prefer checking the turn and then either value bet the river or check it down. If I run into someone who fights back a lot it can also be better to check the flop and see what he does on turn.
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:42 AM   #105
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You don't open up in late position only for the fold equity, also against these bad players you can very often take it down at the flop, no matter what cards you hold. A significant part of my winnings at NL10 was isolation bet or steal from button, then cb any flop and villain folds. If he calls I slow down and bet only for value, if he reraises I throw away most hands.
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:42 AM   #106
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I was even surprised at how few called my cBets at NL2. I think cBet, and unless you have a strong read someone floats a lot and gives up on the turn, just check it down with nothing.
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:47 AM   #107
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For comparison, my position stats are:
Button: 34% vpip 31% raise
CO: 23% vpip 20% raise
MP: 15% vpip 12% raise
UTG: 12% vpip 10% raise
BB: 15% vpip 10% raise
SB: 25% vpip 19% raise

overall 21/17 at NL10
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:14 AM   #108
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For comparison, my position stats are:
Button: 34% vpip 31% raise
CO: 23% vpip 20% raise
MP: 15% vpip 12% raise
UTG: 12% vpip 10% raise
BB: 15% vpip 10% raise
SB: 25% vpip 19% raise

overall 21/17 at NL10
don't open limp.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:13 PM   #109
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Ok, first 10k hands of NL25 are done and I would love any thoughts/feedback on my stats.


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I ran my hands through PokerEV and it showed up like this.
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:09 PM   #110
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Also, I think part of the problem with my win rate is that I was playing 10 NL on FTP and getting owned by the rake. I am moving to PokerStars at least temporarily.
Yeah, I would recommend moving up. 10NL rake is absolutely ridiculous on FTP.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:26 AM   #111
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don't open limp.
Thanks for the advice. Depending on how often the pot is raised preflop, and average number of limpers, I think it should be +EV to limp UTG with eg. 22-55 and some SCs, whereas a raise might get me heads up where I don't have the implied odds for the set? Also, even if the pot is raised, it is likely to be a much too small raise, and already have dead money from limpers in it, giving me odds to call. Remember this is NL10 45/10/1.0 style games. With more aggressive players I guess I would sometimes prefer a fold with small PPs UTG to a raise.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:34 AM   #112
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Thanks for the advice. Depending on how often the pot is raised preflop, and average number of limpers, I think it should be +EV to limp UTG with eg. 22-55 and some SCs, whereas a raise might get me heads up where I don't have the implied odds for the set? Also, even if the pot is raised, it is likely to be a much too small raise, and already have dead money from limpers in it, giving me odds to call. Remember this is NL10 45/10/1.0 style games. With more aggressive players I guess I would sometimes prefer a fold with small PPs UTG to a raise.
Yeah it's probably +EV, but it's even more +EV to raise so do that instead. You also completely define your hand to anyone competent by limping, that may not be too big of an issue now but it will be as you move up.

The great thing about raising is that you don't need implied odds, you have initiative and can take the pot down by cbetting or getting to showdown much easier. You can still hit your set sometimes and are more likely to get paid off because your hand isn't so clearly defined like it is if you limp call and check raise the flop.

Also playing SCs from UTG isn't really worth it until you're comfortable playing postflop. Once you have the postflop ability to do so profitably then raising >>>>> limping.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:10 PM   #113
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well i decided that i have enough hands to post here so i could get an advice on what should be improved in my game... in general i feel pretty good about my game tho the results are somewhat bad... but anyway any comments are welcome...

few things i interested are :
1) fold to river bet.. to me seem like i am folding a lot on river.. perhaps more than i should ?! ( 70%) what do you guys think?!

2) 17/14/3.5 seems pretty tight aggressive... but i feel one of the loosest players at the tables... any comments on these stats?

3) any coments on my play in blinds... i try to play very tight at SB only playing premium hands for a raise and call with pp/ AJ/AQ sometimes raise AQ.. depends on situation.. i try not to call with hands like QT J8 when pot is not raised... folding even for a minimum call... playing suited connectors there mostly when multiway pots...
somewhat the same applies to BB tho i play a little wider range and willing to call minraises with marginal hands... suggestions ?

anyway hope to get some good suggestions on anything you might wanna give me an advice...
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Old 07-03-2008, 05:50 AM   #114
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Old 07-03-2008, 06:32 AM   #115
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

Your CC seems low, are you calling a raise with PPs when you both have full stacks?

Your aggression looks crazy on the flop (over c-betting or bet/raise or checking/folding instead of b/c c/c)? Agg is anemic on the river. Are you value betting enough on the river? You want to get your flop agg down a little and raise your river agg by the same amount.

I haven't looked at PT2 stats in a while, but it looks like your c-bet % is less than 60%
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Old 07-03-2008, 07:28 AM   #116
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OK I'm going to give this a go...I'll put a (?) mark when I'm unsure if a stat standard or not...

Game - NL50 6max

Hands - 130k

VPIP - 22.4/18.5

3bet% - 5.4

Cold Call% - 10.3 ???

WTSD% - 25.7

W$SD% - 54.3

W$WSF - 42.9 ?

AF - 3.35

Agg% - 30.6

FlopAF - 4.17

TurnAF - 2.62

RiverAF - 2.60

Steal% - 40.9

FlopCbet% - 60.7

BetTurn% - 31.3

BetRiver% - 31.0

FlopFold vs Cbet% - 53.5 ?

Squeeze% - 4.6

Fold vs 3bet% - 59.4 ?

Call vs 3bet% - 32.3 ?

4betRange - 1.5 ?

UTG VPIP - 14.2

MP OU VPIP - 16.6

CO OU VPIP - 27.2

BTN OU VPIP - 45.7

SB OU VPIP - 52.7

MP ISO PFR - 13.4

CO ISO PFR - 18.9

BTN ISO PFR - 28.6

SB Defend Steal - 12.6 ?

SB 3bet Steal - 5.3

SB Fold Steal - 87.4 ?

BB Defend Steal - 25.1 ?

BB Reraise Steal - 8.9

BB Fold steal - 74.9 ?

C/R Flop% - 8.7 ?



Please let me know if I'm missing anything important

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Old 07-03-2008, 08:04 AM   #117
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HOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLD,

Cold Call, is this PT3/HEM or PT2? They are different.

It looks like you c-bet low and call c-bet's high.

You are calling a lot of 3-bets. 4bet/fold more, although your 4bet frequency looks decent.
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:57 PM   #118
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Hi im just posting this to see if theres anything obvious that sticks out in my play. I play 50nl on the ipoker network. I am pritty much break even over 50k hands (thank god for rake back) however i cant post my other stats because mycomputer got wiped so i only have this small sample seize thus far.

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Old 07-03-2008, 05:23 PM   #119
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HOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLD,

Cold Call, is this PT3/HEM or PT2? They are different.

It looks like you c-bet low and call c-bet's high.

You are calling a lot of 3-bets. 4bet/fold more, although your 4bet frequency looks decent.
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Old 07-03-2008, 05:42 PM   #120
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this thread is just not working as it should... i suggest mods to made some changes here... let people post theirs stats then pick lets say 3 stats and discuss them.. because this is just rubbish.. getting one answer on your stats is no analysis.. i think we need to make this thing work better for everybodied benifit..
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Old 07-04-2008, 04:41 PM   #121
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Alright just want an update. I've loosened up a bit from my nitty days of 16/14/3, but I'm not winning as much. I have moved up though. I have noticed latly my WTSD% has went from 25% up to 29%-ish. I have been trying to make some more hero calls when peoples lines dont make sense etc... Think it went up when I had an unsucessful attempt at nl100. is this too high? Also commets on the rest owould be appreciated.



also position is

vpip/pfr
Button- 37.39/35.19
1-27.15/25.82
2-15.74-15.7
3-13.05/13.05
BB-11.92/6.71
SB-13.6/7.75
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Old 07-05-2008, 07:03 PM   #122
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Almost done playing for the 1st week in July at stars 25nl. Im satisfied with how it went, since i haven't played poker and 6max specifically in a while.



I feel like i should be opening more preflop ( ~ 21/18 maybe ) but with so much ppl limping and limp-calling im not so sure,so i have to work on that. I might be running slightly well, im not sure how much Won at showdown % should be at 6max.

If anyone has some tips or pointers, i'd appreciate it . Thanks





Hopefully moving to 50nl soon.

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Old 07-06-2008, 05:48 AM   #123
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wow..my poker ev graph is horrible...take a look starting from hand 30,000...positive sklansky bucks but terrible variance on full tilt or is it just me?

10nl btw 6max

I lost AA vs AA LOL to a four card flush all in preflop. Tons more beats...

good thing i do a bit better on bodog at 25nl 6 max...

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Old 07-06-2008, 01:16 PM   #124
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Hendrix your 50NL aggression stats look much better than the 25NL ones. 42% attempt to steal is huge. It can be profitable at the right tables but it could be spewy too. Sure if the blinds fold too much to steals or continuation bets raise a wide range. But if BB is a TAG who's been 3betting you too much there's nothing wrong with folding J9o OTB.
Also can you post street by street aggression? When I played 25NL I slowly changed from 5.5/2.5/1 to 5/3/1.7. Basically the first one meant I was automatically cbetting most of my hands and giving up on later streets or checking down marginal made hands. It changed as I started to bet more marginal hands on the turn against passive players, found some good situations to second barrel in and conciously forced myself to value bet thinner on the river (as well as bet/fold instead of check/call more often OOP)
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Old 07-06-2008, 02:08 PM   #125
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Hendrix your 50NL aggression stats look much better than the 25NL ones. 42% attempt to steal is huge. It can be profitable at the right tables but it could be spewy too. Sure if the blinds fold too much to steals or continuation bets raise a wide range. But if BB is a TAG who's been 3betting you too much there's nothing wrong with folding J9o OTB.
Also can you post street by street aggression? When I played 25NL I slowly changed from 5.5/2.5/1 to 5/3/1.7. Basically the first one meant I was automatically cbetting most of my hands and giving up on later streets or checking down marginal made hands. It changed as I started to bet more marginal hands on the turn against passive players, found some good situations to second barrel in and conciously forced myself to value bet thinner on the river (as well as bet/fold instead of check/call more often OOP)

Thanks,. The nl25 sample size is kind of small there which I think drops my AF down. Normally I've always run in and around 3+.

Been working on stealing from certain people like you said, and trying to adjust to the blinds. Some blinds though its simply profitable to steal with 27o imo. I don't mind stealing a lot from tags, LAGs can be a bit more difficult so I've been tightning up a bit vs. them.

I don't know how to get those stats in pokertracker 3. Any idea? I have been adjusting my post flop game latly though.
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