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12-14-2014 , 07:11 AM
Your vpip , pfr and 3bet are all way too low for 6 max. You can initially start opening way wider on the btn ~45-50% , and once u get a bit more comfortable with playing weaker hands most flop, you can start to add more hands to your CO range ~27% is a good number. And so on.
You should 3bet a lot more. Btn ~7.5% , CO ~5% , MP ~2.5% as a rough guide.
When on btn, and co is opening 30% or so if his range , and will fold amost all of this to a 3bet , you should start adding in some bluffs that could play well post flop, EG. KTs .
Blinds vs btn you need to 3bet a lot more here. In the sb , many people 3bet up to 20% vs the btn, and wont have much of a flatting range at all.
A lot of good regs play around 23/19/8 vpip/pfr/3bet these days at 6 max.
You shouldn't just aim for this, you should do what youre comfortable with, but looking through forums, seeing hands other good regs show up with from each position, youll get an idea of what you can be opening , what you can be cold calling with, and what you can be 3betting.

Other stats aren't that informative. W$SD is too high, but when you play a tighter range this should be the case, so these stats dont really mean all that much
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12-15-2014 , 09:40 AM
Thanks for your comments gary. I have been 3 betting more now from the blinds against the button and have also stopped limping a lot more (1k hands ~ over the weekend). I have noticed my green line carrying on increasing whilst my red is flattening. Needs a bit more tweaking but seems better now. thanks.
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12-15-2014 , 09:46 AM
Nearly all micro stakes regs have a losing red line so I wouldnt worry about it.

yeah you should never really be limping. No need. Just raise hands that you want to enter the pot with.
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12-15-2014 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by garyk5846
Nearly all micro stakes regs have a losing red line so I wouldnt worry about it.

yeah you should never really be limping. No need. Just raise hands that you want to enter the pot with.
im pretty sure that over a decent sample there is absolutely no one that can have a positive red line at the micros, the rakeback is just too great.
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12-17-2014 , 10:42 PM




need help plz ><
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12-18-2014 , 02:14 AM
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need help plz ><
umm how are you losing from every position, but have positive winrates? also there are more relevant stats you should show there, such as WWSF, cbet flop/turn/river, and raise first in.
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12-18-2014 , 04:09 AM
i honestly have no clue. Is it cause I play well and then lose most of/entire stack in basically one hand.
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12-18-2014 , 07:13 AM
Losing $ in every position but having a positive bb/100 would suggest that you played a lot of hands at a limit much lower, and then jumped up a few stakes and lost, I guess?
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12-18-2014 , 08:23 AM
yea that could def be a reason lol def a bad habit >< im guessing BR management fixes that problem?
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12-18-2014 , 08:30 AM
Hey guys, looking here for some help .

These hands are 25nl on PS.











From what I can tell my main concerns are:
1.WWSF being really low 40%. How could I improve it?

2.Flop cbet being 54% and 47% in 3bet pots. And my flop cbet success is 47%, means I could get away Cbetting more flops?

3.Playing too tight in EP(12%) and MP(14.5%)? Im afraid to add more hands, simply becous I know I will be foreced to fold tp 3bets even more PF.

4.Ft3b being too high 69%? Esp in steal situations. My stretegy is mostly to steal really often, becouse people at 25nl are foldng blinds too often. And when I do get 3b, I dont fight back with like 1/2 of my opening range, becouse I dont think people are 3betting me that often that I need to defend more often. (This could be a leak of mine )

5.My red line is going like 45% down


I could really use some help guys. Any help will be highly appreaciated. Im also open for some live leakfinder and can send some $$ for your time
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12-18-2014 , 09:08 AM
@daaabatman
Can easily be seen in the graph around the 11k hand mark where u jump up $500 and down $500 in the space of about 800 hands.
Its not really a problem if youre playing poker for fun/trying to learn the game. Obviously its jut a lot cheaper to.learn at lower levels.
Just for the purposes of analysing $ won/lost, bb/100 etc, the random shot take at ($2/$4 blinds im guessing??) completely overpowers the results from lower limits.

As someone said before if you could post some more important stats like cbet, wwsf, 3bet , 4bet range, raise first in %, turn cbet etc that would be easier to look at. Graphs over that sample are just irrelevant, especially when they include different stakes combined
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12-18-2014 , 11:25 AM
@garyk5846
unfortunately im not learning anymore, and im tryna take it pretty seriously
also thank for the response. i checked my stats for each individual stake and found out that I was actually profitable in 10NL while very unprofitable in 50nl, which I will probably stay away from for now.

also I wasnt able to find all those stats but here are my results so far for 10NL


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12-18-2014 , 12:08 PM
It should be noted that over your whole sample size, and the individual sample sizes at each limit, Its essentially worthless to look at your results. I would suggest sticking at $0.05/$0.10 anyway, because its a good place to play, and you won't be up against tough opposition. Not because you're down 11 buy ins in your shot at NL50. If you had won $550 at NL50 i'd probably be saying the same, or something similar..Sticking to BRM is important.
Is this all 6max? do you play 4 or 5 handed often?

32.6/27.5 vpip/pfr is very high. 3bet% overall is fine, maybe a bit too high, but 3bet% by position would probably be more useful.

WTSF%, W$SD, are kinda meh stats. They dont tell you that much. And if they were way off optimal, it would be hard to pinpoint where you're going wrong.
EG. low W$SD could mean that you call too many river bets. However it could also mean that you don't fold enough on the flop. It could also mean you don't bluff the river enough. it could mean you bluff the river enough but you make your sizing too small.
So its really hard to look at these stats and tell you anything.
agg factor is very high . you could try implement a check-calling range when you are the preflop agressor. Call more donks instead of raising them. call cbets lighter.. etc.
Agg% is more relevant street by street.
Flop, turn and river cbet % are all slightly higher than optimal. If you're double barrell buffing, make sure its a good board to do it on, or that your opponent is the right opponent to be doing this on. Same with the river. People at lower limits don't like to call twice and then fold, so you shouldn't be triple barrell bluffing as often.
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12-18-2014 , 12:23 PM
appreciate the advice

i play 6 max but because WSOP in Jersey is new and doesnt have as many players I have to play 4-5 handed pretty often. Plus there are a lot of times people are sitting out. But I also think my VP would drop if I were to play more tables so i might try that next time.
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12-18-2014 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Icanbeatadraw
Hey guys, looking here for some help .

These hands are 25nl on PS.











From what I can tell my main concerns are:
1.WWSF being really low 40%. How could I improve it?

2.Flop cbet being 54% and 47% in 3bet pots. And my flop cbet success is 47%, means I could get away Cbetting more flops?

3.Playing too tight in EP(12%) and MP(14.5%)? Im afraid to add more hands, simply becous I know I will be foreced to fold tp 3bets even more PF.

4.Ft3b being too high 69%? Esp in steal situations. My stretegy is mostly to steal really often, becouse people at 25nl are foldng blinds too often. And when I do get 3b, I dont fight back with like 1/2 of my opening range, becouse I dont think people are 3betting me that often that I need to defend more often. (This could be a leak of mine )

5.My red line is going like 45% down


I could really use some help guys. Any help will be highly appreaciated. Im also open for some live leakfinder and can send some $$ for your time
VPIP/PFR seem good.
As you said EP and MP opening a bit too low. Based on your %'s , im gonna suggest that you could add QJs, JTs, T9s, A2s-A5s to your range. These all play quite well. I dunno if youre opening 22-44. Not everyone does. they're fine to play but not too important.
MP is where you can start adding in hands like KTs, QTs, maybe Q9s, QJo, any suited A, 98s, and the likes.

3bet a lot more . MP is fine. Any higher than this would look suspicious. CO could be a bit higher, maybe 5%. BTN should be higher.
You 3bet% should really correllate to what hands you want to stack off with. BTN vs MP what hands are you 3bet/5bet shoving? QQ+/ AK?
this is 2.6% of hands. A good balance(in order to not be exploitable to 4bets), is somewhere between 50/50 bluffs/value hands. to 60% bluff hands, 40% value hands.
So if you're stacking off QQ+,AK BTN vs MP, you could be 3betting between 5-6% .
BTN vs CO is an interesting one. People don't really 4bet/call that light at NL25. So 3bet/5betting JJ might not be worth it. However, the more value hands you have, the more bluffs you can have. And BTN vs CO is a very profitable spot to be 3bet bluffing. So we'd like to be able to 3bet at least 8% here.
you could consider 3bet/5betting a hand like 22. It may seem pretty spewy. but if youre doing it against a guy who only ever has QQ+, AK, shoving 22 isn't really that differently to shoving QQ.
Guys at NL25 will 4bet bluff too high, which means you could 5bet shove very light.
At the moment, regs will probably see you as a tighter 3better. So they probably won't 4bet you that wide. For now i'd add in more bluffs to your 3bets, and when regs start to adjust by 4betting wider, you can add in a few others hands that you'll be willing to occasionally shove back .

fold to 3bet% probably slightly on the high end, but i couldn't really pinpoint how you could get it lower. Similar to the point above, having more hands that you're willing to get it in with , allows you to have more 4bet bluffs.

CC% probably a little high in the Sb. vs BTN and CO 3betting will nearly always be better. and Vs EP and MP we're only really getting the price to call with a small % of hands.

Yeah, as you said WWSF% is worryingly low.
First things first, BB is where its at its lowest. Seeing free flops due to limped pots, and then just check folding your 72o and the likes is one reason for this. The discounted price we get in the BB to see a flop, usually leads us to check/fold if we don't hit. Fight back a bit more on the flop. If flop checks around, lead out a lot on the turn.
other situations. If you see a flop 3 ways. Sb checks. you check, BTn checks back. On the turn Sb checks again. BET! . regardless of what you have betting here is nearly always best.
For the rest of WWSF its really just about being alert, and being aware of common lines that you see. Its hard when multitabling. But i'd say in an hour session, there's at least 5 times where villain is literally turning his hand face up, clicking the check fold button, etc... and you don't notice, and check behind Q high or something like that.

Get flop cbet % up a bit. I know cbetting all the time seems kinda obvious or something. But when i multitabled i used to cbet 50% and had a WWSF of around 42%. I now cbet closer to 70% and have WWSF of around 49%. So theres definitely a relationship between the two. Also theres too many spots where villian would easily check/fold for only a half pot cbet, which doesn't need to work that often to show profit.
Turn cbet% is too low. especially with your flop % being so low, you should actually have a hand by the turn quite often. People call the flop way too often, and you should be firing again a bit more here.

Flop fold vs cbet too high. Its good to have this around 50%, but id rather have it on the lower side of 50, than the higher side. Float more. Also concentrate on the board texture, and what villain thinks you will do. Don't just fold your underpair to a cbet on a K high flop. Do you not think villain will be cbet bluffing a very high% of the time on a K high flop.

Check raise flop % too low. Getting this up will obviously help out your low flop fold vs cbet % , and your WWSF.
You should be check raising your big draws occasionally. Should be check raising big hands on wet boards, Top two pair, etc..
You should also check raise boards that don't really hit villains range. He min raises btn, you call. Flop comes out T 5 4 rainbow and he cbets. Check raise him. Occasionally. A good player will realise that you don't really rep much yourself by check raising here, but at NL25, it will work a lot.

Sqz more from the blinds, specifically BB. no exact number, but its a good move.

4bet range : Similar to the 3betting point above, it should correlate to what hands you want to stack off with. EP you could be 4bet/calling with KK+, and balancing this by 4bet bluffing AQo, for example. Gives a 4bet range here of 1.8%.
MP . Probably 4bet/calling QQ+,AK vs both BTN and CO, so we could 4bet bluff KQo, and AJo, for example. which would be 4.4% of hands. MP vs the blinds, we might not always 4bet/call QQ+,AK. and even if we did, we might be getting fine odds to call with KQo and AJo, and we could add other hands to our 4bet bluff range.
CO vs BTN/blinds. essentially 4bet/calling QQ+,AK again, and should have similar bluffs OOP. IP vs blinds maybe stuff like A2s-A5s.
Once again the more value hands we have, the more bluffs we can have. If we're willing to 4bet and call a shove with JJ, then we can have another bluff hand.
BTN. Blinds will be 3betting us wide, and we wanna be able to 4bet bluff a bit back, and call a bit too.
We could 4bet/call with JJ+, AK here, and 4bet bluff A2s-A8s perhaps. This will have us 4betting 5% of our hands back at him.

vs 4bet fold % is good, however this is correlating to a currently 5% 3bet. So as you up your 3bet%, you should note your vs 4bet fold % go down, until you start to adjust your stack off ranges.

Lastly 3betting from the blinds. This should be highest in SB.
Being polarized in the BB isn't too important but its certainly something to consider. It leaves your calling range stronger, and also allows you to add in more hands to your range that would have otherwise be folds. So vs a 2x open, we might wanna 3bet TT+, AQ+, and then stuff like Q2s-Q5s, etc, and we could flat KQo, KJo, those kind of hands. but not that important, and if you're against guys that call 3bets too often, probably better to have high cards.
you should be quite merged with your 3betting in the sb, mainly due to the fact that we should not have much of a flatting range.
Vs the BTN we can be 3betting up to 20% here. vs the CO obviously less. It should also be noted that , in order to not be exploitable to 4bets , you have to be willing to 5bet shove a lot of this 20% range back . to start off, try notice BTNs that 4bet too much, and shove any pocket pair back at them.
You only actually need around 40% fold equity to profitably shove a small pocket pair against a guy who's stacking off with QQ+,AK.


Sorry if this was too long.

Last edited by garyk5846; 12-18-2014 at 12:58 PM.
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12-19-2014 , 04:16 PM
Hey guys, i'm playing NL25 at the moment and would like some opinion on my stats (i'm kinda noob at it so if you want anymore stats / details tell me)






Thanks alot
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12-21-2014 , 01:02 AM
You could open up your button stealing range a bit. You seem to be losing quite a bit from the BB perhaps you are defending too wide and playing passive as your VPIP and aggression seems to indicate. Other than that your stats seem fine.
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12-21-2014 , 05:24 PM
Thanks
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12-23-2014 , 10:31 AM
Thank you Garyk, for your long reply, much appreciated


I just filtered my Cbetting game with weak and air hands and looking for conclusion in my cbetting game.
I made these 3 filters 1: Cbet possbile as PFR 2: Cbet made as PFR 3: Cbet = False as PFR
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Does this mean im leaking huge in my cbetting game?
We can see that we are doing a lot better with cbetting ( I was cbetting 41% Flop)
than simply C/f or other options with my weakest part of range
Should I try and up my Cbetting frequnce to say like 60%+ with weak hands then?

We can see that im losing -12bb/100 when im cbetting flop with my weak range and im losing -122bb/100 when im choosing not to Cbet.
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12-23-2014 , 11:44 PM
Just started my first cash game grind. 5NL on Stars 95% of it is zoom.

Any glaring leaks. I'm not sure if such a good red line at the micros is a good thing or not but its working.





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12-24-2014 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Icanbeatadraw
Thank you Garyk, for your long reply, much appreciated


I just filtered my Cbetting game with weak and air hands and looking for conclusion in my cbetting game.
I made these 3 filters 1: Cbet possbile as PFR 2: Cbet made as PFR 3: Cbet = False as PFR
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2

3

Does this mean im leaking huge in my cbetting game?
We can see that we are doing a lot better with cbetting ( I was cbetting 41% Flop)
than simply C/f or other options with my weakest part of range
Should I try and up my Cbetting frequnce to say like 60%+ with weak hands then?

We can see that im losing -12bb/100 when im cbetting flop with my weak range and im losing -122bb/100 when im choosing not to Cbet.
Looking at results can be very misleading, as HM2 looks at the total won/lost in a hand. So before you get to the flop you have probably already invested an average of ~2.75 bbs into the hand.
So over the 3000 hands or so where you are -$180 when you chose to cbet, you would have already invested around $2000 in the hands (NL25, right?) , so you're actually showing a lot of profit by cbetting.

A good rule of thumb would be to cbet hands that you can potentially double barrell. Backdoor flush draws, backdoor straight draws, two high cards in your hand. Or maybe any board texture in general that you wish to triple barrell on.

60-70% would be an ideal cbetting frequency overall I believe. I'm not sure what the % would be specifically for your air hands, but probably not too low, as you will sometimes be checking non-air hands.

Thinking ahead to the turn will give you a good indication of what to do. for example, if you check back the flop on the BTN, you should know that the blinds will lead out the turn a lot. So if you check back a hand like Q high, you need to know that you're essentially giving up the hand. Where as , if you check back A high, you could continue on the turn. Think about what hands you might need to cbet to have a chance of winning.
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12-27-2014 , 05:37 AM
Just started back playing after a 5 year hiatus, decided to deposit $20 on Bovada. Haven't gotten near as many hands in as I would have liked to thus far, usually can get 30k per month, but it's been steady. I'm up around $480 after 16k hands over 3 weeks when you include my PLO winnings and today's NLHE session. Despite my very high BB/100, I'm actually not running that great. Slightly below EV actually, with today's winnings upcoming I'll be about $30 below EV. I started NL5 with $20 as my roll, NL10 when I hit $100, and NL25 when I hit $250. I'll probably wait until I get 20 buyins to move up to NL50 due to better play/variance. It took me like 7,000 hands to get out of NL5, it was ridiculous. My play style was not fit for that level, clearly. Even though Micro's are generally filled with bad players, it was almost as if they were too bad for some of my plays to work. NL25 is much, much better as many of my bluffs are getting through and player hand ranges are being narrowed.

Graph is my NLHE winnings excluding the last 24 hours

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12-28-2014 , 12:48 AM
This is ALL 6max zoom, only just now seen how much i'm losing from SB and BB





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12-28-2014 , 04:49 AM
Dear Poker Wizards

I would like to kindly ask you for your help regarding my game numbers. Could you please take a look at my NL5 Zoom stats and advice what to do to get it better. Its just 42k hands but I think that I have so big leaks...

Your respond would be highly appriciate.

Thanks in advance guys


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01-03-2015 , 12:53 PM
I'am back playing after a long break. 10nl for now.I dont have big sample yet so not gonna share stats but what i'd like is feedback on how to beat these games, like a few guidelines.
How often to barrel? should we mainly just value bet? From 10nl to 50nl is there a big difference?

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