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11-11-2008 , 08:23 PM
Hello 2p2ers,

Im almost at the point where Im going to reach 100k hands. My game is far, far from profitable and I can't seem to figure out what is going wrong myself. The sample size is big enough for sure, hope you guys can help me spot some leaks. All hands are 6max.

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Position



Most horrible graph ever



If there is needed anymore information, plz let me know. I really hope someone can help me fix my leaks. I think my main problem is that Im losing way to much in 3bet pots.

Already great thanks,

Blonde.
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11-11-2008 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TomT
Firstly can you post more detailed stats and stats by position?

Based on what you posted you are flat calling far too much pre-flop. You should have at most a 2-3% gap between your Vpip and pfr. try to play more a 18/16 style rather than 18/11.5.
I play 22/17, which is also a pretty big gap, why is this wrong?
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11-12-2008 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde
I think my main problem is that Im losing way to much in 3bet pots.

Already great thanks,

Blonde.
You can use HEM to filter out all of your non 3bet pot hands so that you can review all of your 3bet pot hands.


Your preflop stats look solid but your W$SD% is ridiculously low given your PF tendencies. I don't know what to make of it but here are some things I'm just throwing out:

(a) you float too much IP
(b) you aren't folding made hands enough on bad boards
(c) you don't hand read well enough postflop
(d) you aren't playing your draws optimally


Not sure what else. VVery interesting stats given your solid PF tendencies.
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11-12-2008 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Machi
I play 22/17, which is also a pretty big gap, why is this wrong?
It's not terrible, but 5% is about the biggest gap I would think is ok. 22/17 is also a lot different from 18/12. Also i'm not advocating this strategy as being optimal but it will be a lot easier to play and reduce the amount of difficult decisions that you face.

That being said there are a lot of different styles that can be profitable and if yours is working out you should probably stick with it.
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11-12-2008 , 12:20 PM
Hey guys:
I've just started taking up NL seriously in the last 3 weeks or so, and I've got myself up to a passable winrate at 10NL. However, if I want to move up in stakes, I'd much rather iron out any gaping holes in my game now before I move up than later when players will be much more likely to take advantage of them.

From my own perspective, it seems that I'm doing a couple things really well... enough to make up for my big leaks in other areas. But if I plug the major leaks now, I could have a game that crushes 10NL and will set me up to move up in a couple of weeks.

So hit me hard... are there any big holes here?



Results for last 10k hands:



General stats:


Positional stats:


Worst hand results: (The AQs is the result of one 150BB hand.)
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11-13-2008 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by aggo
You can use HEM to filter out all of your non 3bet pot hands so that you can review all of your 3bet pot hands.


Your preflop stats look solid but your W$SD% is ridiculously low given your PF tendencies. I don't know what to make of it but here are some things I'm just throwing out:

(a) you float too much IP
(b) you aren't folding made hands enough on bad boards
(c) you don't hand read well enough postflop
(d) you aren't playing your draws optimally


Not sure what else. VVery interesting stats given your solid PF tendencies.
I think all the things you point out are a problem of me. For the most I think I don't fold enough made hands on bad boards. This seems to be a big problem of me and it seems to cost me lots of money. Could you go some deeper into point D? Already thnx for most things you pointed out.

There must be some more people that can give me advice on such a huge sample size.
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11-13-2008 , 12:57 AM
^^ I don't know much, but I see that there's a big drop off between your Fold to T cbet % and Fold to R cbet% between 10NL and 25NL.

Now I'm a 10NL player, and I'm here for advice myself from some of the more knowledgeable folk, so I can't give any advice.

But I can ask a question.

Why do you think there is such a dropoff?
Do you think it's inherent in the increased skill of the stakes, or because you're folding too much at this limit in that situation?

If it's because you're starting to fold hands you shouldn't, that could be a big hole (a bad fold you wouldn't normally make on the turn can cost a lot of BB/100).

Also, you might want to filter your 10NL stats and your 25NL stats separately in your positional stats, since there is such a marked difference in your performance between the two stakes.

You may be able to find more holes that way.



BTW, while I have you... do you mind telling me from your 10NL stats what your Cbet Turn % is?

Last edited by svj; 11-13-2008 at 01:02 AM.
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11-14-2008 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by asdrubale
If you want to crush NL25, here are my suggestions:

- if the players to your left are tight, open ATC. And don't get scared when you get called, you should cbet and 2nd barrel almost always as they call mostly with pocket pairs. Instafold if you get raised though, unless until you get good enough at hand reading to understand when you can make them lay down.

- against the fish, any two high cards (by "high" I mean 8 or higher) are good IP. Isolate them, cbet and 2nd barrel. You'd be surprised how many times they call the flop and fold the turn, and if you get any piece of the flop it's very probable it will be good at showdown.

- 3bet light the regs. Squeeze them. Attack the dead money restlessly.

I started playing like this 10 days ago when I was at NL10 and now I'm rolled for NL50, approx. 15k hands. It's wildly profitable.

My stats were very similar to yours before, now I'm running at 38/35/6.5 with a winrate of 17 BB/100.
lol
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11-14-2008 , 07:52 PM
Sry I cant ever seem to post a picture but ill post my stats. Isrsly need help. I just got poker tracker but i have about 20k hands with it, even though it imported all of my hands. Im just going to give the stats since i got a HUD (poker co pilot, mac).

i cant believe my results given my stats. right after i got the hud i won 16Bi at 10nl. but in the last 5K i dropped almost all of it. There must be a major leak b/c i play pretty nitty.

stats for 25,996 hands -6/100BB So Fn Sick, i study and post and am CardRunners. there ha to be something keeping me from winning. I do tilt a little but i definitly quit when i notice.

Flop seen: 16%
VPiP: 16%
PF Raise: 14%
Post Flop Agg. Freq: 56%
Agg. Factor: 3.68

Blind Steal Attempt: 24%
Check raise: 0.17%
Went to SD: 4%
Won at SD 49%
Won Without SD: 12%
Three-bet: 2%

some stats may be a little different since the HUD is poker copilot

Bb stats:

Avg BB won: -39BB/100 avg, VPiP: 13% PF Raise: 9% AF: 2.72

Sb stats:

Avg BB: -25BB/100, VPiP: 20%, PF raise: 15%, AF: 5.16

UTG:

BB/100: 4/100, VPiP: 14%, Raise: 13%, AF: 3.62

UTG+1:

BB/100: 16/100 VPiP: 15%, PF raise: 14%, AF 4.25

CO:

BB/100: -14/100, VPiP: 17%, Pf raise: 15% AF: 4.43

BTN:

BB/100: 25/100 VPiP: 21%, PF Raise: 18% AF 4.48

any other stats, i will post if asked. i would think i would not be able to lose so much playing v TAG but i just LOSE.

this month i dropped 21BI in 7600 hands, then i got a HUD and won 16BI and then 10K hands later dropped 13 or 14BI.

if this is not a weird swing then i will discount the first 10K hands and keep playing but my last 4/7 have been srs downswongs. i am pretty sure it was posted that more than a 10BI swong is more personal play.
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11-14-2008 , 09:07 PM
Obviously things have been going very well for me so far, but I'm sure that I have a ton of leaks in my game. Suggest and criticize to your hearts content.










Last edited by KyleFall; 11-14-2008 at 09:19 PM.
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11-14-2008 , 09:51 PM
Hello, I would like to get some reply about my stats. I feel I could improve my winrate, but I don't know how. Please give me some advice based on my stats.

I'm currently playing NL50 5max.






Ps. Is it possible to get somekind of colour codes to HEM, because otherwise all the stats just blend in?
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11-14-2008 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LoveisHell
Hello, I would like to get some reply about my stats. I feel I could improve my winrate, but I don't know how. Please give me some advice based on my stats.

I'm currently playing NL50 5max.
You should tighten up you opening ranges from the CO a bit or open up your range from MP.

You are playing 16% of your hands from MP and 31% or you hands from the very next position. These rally shouldnt be that much of a difference between these 2 stats.

Also this could just be sample size issues, but you are losing money from MP and CO when you should be making a profit from all positions that are not the blinds. Try tightening up your range for these spots until they become profitable then slowly start adding more hands.
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11-15-2008 , 08:11 AM
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You should tighten up you opening ranges from the CO a bit or open up your range from MP.
But since the Mp is UTG (5max) shouldn't I try to play tight when in OOP (Blinds, MP) and loose when I'm in position (CO, BTN)?

Yes, it could be just the sample size, but it seems strange that I'm losing in every position except the button. I'll try to tighten up a bit and see where it will take me.

What about the blinds? Is the winrate ok although it's negative?

Thanks a lot for your comments!
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11-15-2008 , 02:21 PM
Also how much is a good VPIP/PFR ratio to play from the button?
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11-15-2008 , 02:49 PM
I wasn't going to post but reading this thread has been so helpful. I'm throwing mine out there. I was playing 10nl the first 10k, 25nl the rest. I see now that my cold call % is ridiculous. I'm hate to 3bet marginal hands. So does this mean I need to really open up my range or 3bet these marginal hands? Thanks 2+2ers. You rock.

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11-16-2008 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BatsShadow
Here's my NL50 stats. These are over the course of almost the whole year so I've probably changed quite a bit as a player as I went along. Please let me know what you think.

Please take a look again. I replaced the image with a full size one that is easier to read. Thanks.
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11-16-2008 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LoveisHell
But since the Mp is UTG (5max) shouldn't I try to play tight when in OOP (Blinds, MP) and loose when I'm in position (CO, BTN)?

Yes, it could be just the sample size, but it seems strange that I'm losing in every position except the button. I'll try to tighten up a bit and see where it will take me.

What about the blinds? Is the winrate ok although it's negative?

Thanks a lot for your comments!
You should be playing more hands in position, but there really shouldn't be a 16% jump in hands you are playing from one position to the next, just start basic and keep adding hands till it becomes unprofitable.

Losing money in the blinds is normal as your forced to put money in with random hands OOP, as long as your not losing more money that the cost of the blinds which your not then there is no problem
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11-16-2008 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by icantlaythisdown
I wasn't going to post but reading this thread has been so helpful. I'm throwing mine out there. I was playing 10nl the first 10k, 25nl the rest. I see now that my cold call % is ridiculous. I'm hate to 3bet marginal hands. So does this mean I need to really open up my range or 3bet these marginal hands? Thanks 2+2ers. You rock.
Firstly stop open limping, your stats show that your vpip/pfr for UTG is 20.9/16.8, meaning you are limping in with 4% or your hands this is a huge leak wither raise or fold these hands preflop.

Next you need to be more positionally aware, your VPIP is exactly the same for the CO and button. You should be playing more hands on the button than you are from the CO, just generally play a wider range of hands as your position improves. You should also tighten up in EP.

You should also be 3-betting a lot more from the blinds, particularly when people are opening in the CO or button and have wide ranges try to 3-bet more rather than calling and playing pots OOP with marginal hands.

Not sure what is up with your 3-bet stats it says you are 3-betting 4.8% from EP, does this mean you are limp-re raising 4.8% of the time?

You seem to be 3-betting enough when from MP-Button, just 3-bet a bit more from the blinds, even if you only 3-bet AQ+,TT+, it would still be a much wider range than you are 3-betting now.
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11-16-2008 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BatsShadow
Please take a look again. I replaced the image with a full size one that is easier to read. Thanks.
Stats seem ok, no major leaks that I can see. Maybe try and cut down on your cold calling pre-flop, particularly out of the blinds.
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11-16-2008 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TomT
Stats seem ok, no major leaks that I can see. Maybe try and cut down on your cold calling pre-flop, particularly out of the blinds.
Thank you. I recently realized a leak I have where I call in the blinds too often with drawing hands that are too hard to play OOP and your stat analysis lines up with that.
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11-16-2008 , 03:36 PM
OK so I'm trying to tighten up UTG & UTG+1. No more J10o Q10o K10o or gasp, A10o. Only KQ+ K10s+ I must play all the pp's. This means I'll need to open up on CO & BTN. Do I do this by opening up my 3bet range or just my opening range. I'm playing J10+, 67s+, 22+. Should I start throwing in AXs, 79s+ on CO & BTN?
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11-16-2008 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by icantlaythisdown
OK so I'm trying to tighten up UTG & UTG+1. No more J10o Q10o K10o or gasp, A10o. Only KQ+ K10s+ I must play all the pp's. This means I'll need to open up on CO & BTN. Do I do this by opening up my 3bet range or just my opening range. I'm playing J10+, 67s+, 22+. Should I start throwing in AXs, 79s+ on CO & BTN?
I open more than that, though it's quite situational. On the button 54s, sometimes 86s, 87o, definitely AXo. To be honest, I don't even have a specific range, I just look for blinds that I can beat up on. I also open ATo utg, but I'm considering dumping that one.

As far as opening your 3bet range, in general I say no, but depending on what limit you play, you can be looking for spots to 3bet any two cards occassionally.
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11-20-2008 , 09:31 AM
Hi all. I mistakenly posted this in the wrong place and was told this thread is the proper place for it. Your thoughts are appreciated.

*****

I just started using HEM recently to track my performance. I have always known that I'm a losing player, but wanted to take a hard look and find the holes in my game that I need to patch up.

I only have 5k+ hands (6-handed, $10NL and $25NL) tracked so far, and I know that many will say that this is not a big enough sample size. However, I can see that I've got some big leaks already and would like some feedback.

Below is my graph as well as some key stats. I’d appreciate any feedback you guys can give.

Thanks.












*************

Following up on my post above, here are my observations:

-I'm paying too f'kin much in rake at these low levels. However, I'm not bankrolled enough to move up.

-My non-showdown winnings is definitely problematic. What do you think this is indicative of? I have a relatively low VPIP, but am I folding too many hands postflop here?

-I'm losing too much money with top pair.

Thoughts?
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11-20-2008 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OMFGWTF
-I'm paying too f'kin much in rake at these low levels. However, I'm not bankrolled enough to move up.
Stop playing at fulltilt, move to any of the other sites where the rake is 1/2 as much as fulltilt. Making some quick calculations this will bring your winrate up by about 10BB/100.

Also try and tighten up your cold calling range preflop you are CCing 5% of your hands pre-flop this is a pretty big leak.

Stop open limping, your VPIP UTG is 1.5% higher than your pfr, if you are going to play a hand and nobody else has put money into the pot yet raise it and give yourself a chance to pick up the blinds.
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11-20-2008 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by OMFGWTF
Hi all. I mistakenly posted this in the wrong place and was told this thread is the proper place for it. Your thoughts are appreciated.

*****

I just started using HEM recently to track my performance. I have always known that I'm a losing player, but wanted to take a hard look and find the holes in my game that I need to patch up.

I only have 5k+ hands (6-handed, $10NL and $25NL) tracked so far, and I know that many will say that this is not a big enough sample size. However, I can see that I've got some big leaks already and would like some feedback.

Below is my graph as well as some key stats. I’d appreciate any feedback you guys can give.

*************

Following up on my post above, here are my observations:

-I'm paying too f'kin much in rake at these low levels. However, I'm not bankrolled enough to move up.

-My non-showdown winnings is definitely problematic. What do you think this is indicative of? I have a relatively low VPIP, but am I folding too many hands postflop here?

-I'm losing too much money with top pair.

Thoughts?
Bet larger and more often, specifically when value betting. Seriously, your blue line is atrocious when you consider the fact that you win 60% of the time at showdown - it should really look like a freaking rocket! This leads me to believe you're missing tons of value - at 10NL you should be getting 3 big bets w TPTK. And yeah, you're probably folding too much with a W$SD that high.

-I'm losing too much money with top pair.
I highly doubt it - it's pretty standard to be losing $ with 1pair hands because you're folding weak pairs so often.

Other things - you seem to call 3bets too much, and are likely playing fit or fold when you do which will be a big losing strategy.

-play more positionally, your VPIP is barely different between UTG and the button. Your steal success rate is decent which means people are defending their blinds every time, so feel free to steal them a little more often.
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