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08-24-2013 , 09:09 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys! I shall look into 3betting more IP and squeezing!

About the cbetting, atm it seems my cbet in 3bet pots is even higher than cbet in 2bet pots. Is this the right way around, or should I cbet less in 3bet pots? Or should the percentage be about the same as in 2bet pots?
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08-24-2013 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by quadas
Thanks for the feedback guys! I shall look into 3betting more IP and squeezing!

About the cbetting, atm it seems my cbet in 3bet pots is even higher than cbet in 2bet pots. Is this the right way around, or should I cbet less in 3bet pots? Or should the percentage be about the same as in 2bet pots?
Think more about who your in the pot with, if it is a player that folds a lot of cbets in 3bet pots then cbet but you need to be mindfull on boaord texture before doing so. A lot of players at the micros cbet in 3bet pots with no thought to villains calling range. They do it because theres a lot more money in the pot than your typical single raised pot and that is often the reason why you see people with a higher cbet% in 3bet pots than in single raised pots. This is easy to exploit but agaisnt most players 10NL and below it shouldnt be as likely to happen but you need to know about it nevertheless.
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08-24-2013 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by quadas
Thanks for the feedback guys! I shall look into 3betting more IP and squeezing!

About the cbetting, atm it seems my cbet in 3bet pots is even higher than cbet in 2bet pots. Is this the right way around, or should I cbet less in 3bet pots? Or should the percentage be about the same as in 2bet pots?
Off the top of head: 3-betting makes your range more polarized which I think means in theory that you should be able to cbet more. But at micros probably not mean much. So I second the previous comment that you should try to just max your EV. Plus in general I think ppl (fit-or-)fold too much in 3-bet pots.
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08-25-2013 , 03:50 PM
@Trexy

Start from the bottom; online is very different from live.

I'd say begin at 5 or 10 NL.

Play tight and few tables at the beginning.

Then, once you start feeling more and more comfortable, you can start loosening up your play and add more and more tables.

Once you have gained confidence in your skills; then you'll start making money.

Every time you reach 30 buy-ins at one limit; I'd start taking shots at the one above.

If ou lose 5 buy-ins are more, drop to the previous limit and continue crushing before you take another shot.

Slow and steady is the recipe for success in online poker IMO
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08-25-2013 , 06:02 PM
Hello 2p2,

It's been a while I haven't played poker; I would love your opinion(s) on my current stats/progress

After going over my stats on my own, I realize that the way I play is a bit over-aggressive. I'm going to tone it down a bit (both in terms of vpip/pfr and flop cbet frequency). I'd also like to point out that my high vpip from the sb is due to a high-amount of above-average starting hands.

Can you guys see anything else I could work on?

This is all 2NL FR, playing 6-8 tables (sometimes more) for several hours per day.





I feel like I'm running bad (not in terms of all-in EV, just in general). It seems I often pay off players on the river. I'm going to post some hands that feel like coolers... but maybe they aren't and I should be just folding

Thanks for any help!
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08-27-2013 , 01:24 AM
Hey guys,

First time posting here.

So far, I've been crushing 10nl and 25nl, albeit over a small sample size. I will soon be moving up to 50nl and I want to be able to crush at that level as well.

Here are my graphs and stats.

10 nl


25 nl


My stats are only of 25 nl because I've changed my game since 10 nl, so I found those hands no longer relevant.

The first thing I've noticed is that my 3 bet pf on the button is too low. I usually call with strong hands IP but I now realize that 3 betting them is going to be more +EV.

Position stats


I realize that my winrate is not even close to sustainable. The thing I'm most afraid of is that my winnings have solely been luck based, and that I'm not even a long run winning player. Because of this, I constantly want to improve my game and this will be a good place to start.

Thank you everyone for your help, I'd appreciate it.
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08-28-2013 , 05:52 AM
Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt 'cause I'm a beginner too and I might be wrong, hopefully some more experienced players can confirm/dismiss my toughts.

@smackdatace: Despite the smallish sample size I'm pretty sure you're playing way too many hands on the blinds. You're generally OOP in those spots and therefore you should restrict the range of hands you play from there.

Your Cbet Flop percentage is way too high, you're almost c-betting any flop. You should improve your board reading skills and, again, pay attention to position here. Notice that the graph further confirms this, you're winning money without showdown but losing overall: you make people fold a lot, but lose when they have a hand. WSD tells me the same story.

3Bet percentage and call 3bet seems a bit high, but it could be fine depending on how often you're 3 betting light. What hand are you generally 3betting with?

As I already said before I'm a noob but I'm beating 2NL now and I think that when I was losing I was doing the same mistakes that you are doing now: I was cbetting too often and I didn't understand position properly. Focus on those things, especially position (it is that much important), and you should be fine.

@jujubes: your sample size is not big enough to say for sure that you are a winning player. Think you're playing too many hands from the blinds but I don't see huge mistakes from your stats.

Last edited by Elfrago87; 08-28-2013 at 05:59 AM.
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08-28-2013 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Elfrago87
Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt 'cause I'm a beginner too and I might be wrong, hopefully some more experienced players can confirm/dismiss my toughts.

@smackdatace: Despite the smallish sample size..
+1 (all the advices)

I would add that you are probably too loose and aggressive on all seats. You probably can play this way if you really master the game but that is not yet true is it?

Esp. as said on the blinds one should be carefully when bloating the pot, you probably shouldn't raise 18 % of hands on the BB. I think AJ type of hands should not be used to isolate limpers from the BB. SB should be tighter too. I would check that you are doing well with SB/BB 7-10 % 3-bet too. It is okay to 3-bet a lot but make sure that you are against some who folds enough and/or who opens very wide like you do. Otherwise you are just burning money.

Cbet really depends on who you play with but this seems high but your success is okay if you fire 1/2 or a bit more as most ppl.
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08-29-2013 , 11:42 AM
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08-30-2013 , 05:50 AM
I understand that generally this thread is for 10k hands or more but I really need a stat check up for 2NL 6 max zoom. I feel like I play well and have decent stats for a 6 max player but I just cannot beat any game. I had about 30k hands of full ring zoom and was a breakeven player there. If someone could please have a quick read over and see if they notice anything major that could be fixed that would be great.

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08-31-2013 , 05:06 PM
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Despite the smallish sample size I'm pretty sure you're playing way too many hands on the blinds.
Honestly, I had a good run of cards.

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Your Cbet Flop percentage is way too high, you're almost c-betting any flop.
Look at my flop cbet success rate (it's +EV). But yeah, I should be reduce turn cbet since that one is terrible lol.

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3Bet percentage and call 3bet seems a bit high, but it could be fine depending on how often you're 3 betting light. What hand are you generally 3betting with?
def need to work on those numbers, thanks for pointing it out.
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08-31-2013 , 05:11 PM
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I would add that you are probably too loose and aggressive on all seats. You probably can play this way if you really master the game but that is not yet true is it?
lol nah man, I'm just a rookie at best

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I think AJ type of hands should not be used to isolate limpers from the BB. SB should be tighter too.
It often gets limped around to me on the blinds. What should I be raising with? Up until now I've something like 99+, ATs+, AJo+, KQ, sometimes even wider (a bit nuts?).

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I would check that you are doing well with SB/BB 7-10 % 3-bet too.
Thanks for pointing that out. I'll pay more attention to fold-2-3bet % and ATS before 3betting from now on.
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09-01-2013 , 03:45 AM
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It often gets limped around to me on the blinds. What should I be raising with? Up until now I've something like 99+, ATs+, AJo+, KQ, sometimes even wider (a bit nuts?).
Idk it really depends what they limp with, how they react to raise and how well they play postflop. I think AJo type of hand are often EV+ to raise but can be more EV+ if only checked? But it really depends esp what they limp with, I have noticed that many limps even AK type of hands which imo makes raising bad. Stats has limited usefulness. Your BB raise was 18%, I thought that you are raising a lot wider than above.
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09-01-2013 , 10:38 AM
Have played around 100k hands @ 10nl and i am breakeven. I was running 2bb/100 over 100k hands and in the next 10k I lost it all.

Here are my stats. Any help would be great.
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09-05-2013 , 08:25 AM
id be greatful for some inputs here..

i am putting a ton of time this month to get goldstar on nl5 but i am thining about stopping this goal because it not working ok. i also uploaded 600 USD to my account with WCOOP bonus code to have 150 usd released when i reach 3k VPP. then i withdraw 600 usd and have 150 usd to boost my bankroll. i do not want to put 1k usd on ps account and have it busto on nl25 in a matter of month so this is my strategy to work form the lowest. i beated nl2 no i am on nl5 with around 450$ as a bankroll.




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09-05-2013 , 09:02 AM
To Menshen my only advice to you would be lower tables, don't think about making gold or silver or any of that . concentrate on playing a winning strategy, and when your winning then add tables. How many tables are you playing ?? You should be 3 betting on the button and cut-off more by the looks of your stat's, at these levels a c bet will take it most of the time. you want to be running over the tight regs and beating up on the fish...Gl. I guess 2 tables to start with then go to four. trust me this will help you so much, if you are indeed playing too many tables
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09-05-2013 , 09:14 AM
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To Menshen my only advice to you would be lower tables, don't think about making gold or silver or any of that . concentrate on playing a winning strategy, and when your winning then add tables. How many tables are you playing ?? You should be 3 betting on the button and cut-off more by the looks of your stat's, at these levels a c bet will take it most of the time. you want to be running over the tight regs and beating up on the fish...Gl. I guess 2 tables to start with then go to four. trust me this will help you so much, if you are indeed playing too many tables
i am playing 12-18 tables. i am tableselecting all the time with tablescanturbo. always on table have 1 fish or more.

i will play 6 tables before evening and in the evening i will load up more to have fishes. i have 1 million hands on micro so i have always tables full of fishes but as you can see i am not running good and no to mention couple of mistakes + so sick of folding top sets when there are the worst cards OTT or OTR and have to bet fold or juest c/fold. it's so siiiick lately...

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09-05-2013 , 10:06 AM
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i am playing 12-18 tables. i am tableselecting all the time with tablescanturbo. always on table have 1 fish or more.

i will play 6 tables before evening and in the evening i will load up more to have fishes. i have 1 million hands on micro so i have always tables full of fishes but as you can see i am not running good and no to mention couple of mistakes + so sick of folding top sets when there are the worst cards OTT or OTR and have to bet fold or juest c/fold. it's so siiiick lately...

ty
are you serious, 1 million hands and the conclusion you come to is that your running bad. That is seriously delusional if that is what you believe.
Running bad has nothing to do with it. You just can't play all that well on so many tables so you need to listen to the above advice and stop thinking about status, lower the number of tables and start playing winning poker. Also, stop making excuses and start accepting that you need to make a change if you want better results. As you improve and move up in stakes, the status, Gold, Plat, Super N. will come naturally.
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09-05-2013 , 10:45 AM
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are you serious, 1 million hands and the conclusion you come to is that your running bad. That is seriously delusional if that is what you believe.
Running bad has nothing to do with it. You just can't play all that well on so many tables so you need to listen to the above advice and stop thinking about status, lower the number of tables and start playing winning poker. Also, stop making excuses and start accepting that you need to make a change if you want better results. As you improve and move up in stakes, the status, Gold, Plat, Super N. will come naturally.
harsh love brah, i agree with you
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09-05-2013 , 12:21 PM
Could someone look at my stats also. The one posted above menshen's stats
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09-05-2013 , 01:37 PM
moveric and dark thx for advice.

i played a lot of hands. the reason why i decided for 3k vpp is WCOOP bonus 150 bucks. i will withdraw that 6 hunderd later and my roll will receiver enormous boost..

anyway i really need to play better. it goes without saying.

hope your game and results are satisfactory for you mov and dark..

gl at tables..
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09-05-2013 , 02:02 PM
Have played around 100k hands @ 10nl and i am breakeven. I was running 2bb/100 over 100k hands and in the next 10k I lost it all.

Here are my stats. Any help would be great.
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09-05-2013 , 05:04 PM
your stats are looking better than mine.

how many tb u play? also tell me if you have hard time folding very good holdings like bottom sets IP on boards where eg river card makes a straight or flush and vill shoves to you etc..

what is your feeling of games at nl10 ??
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09-05-2013 , 05:25 PM
Hey.. I played around 100k hands made 22BI and lost it all in a weeks time. Feels pretty sick. Overall about 10nl is that the games are one step ahead of 5nl for sure in 3bet. BVsB is much more etc. Sometimes I have a hard time laying the sets etc 2pair on co ordinated boards etc but overall i feel confident about my play. The problem could be mass tabling since i put around 8-10 tables at a time and play like a robot.
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09-05-2013 , 05:40 PM
when you made those 22bi did you also masstabled?

when you call with those questionable spots with sets or 2 pairs do you lose more than 50% or do you have the feeling that wtf how can he always have there? and coursing has its own glory at those moments..

i thing mass tabling can make a lot of trouble. couple of small errors + couple of bad beats and confidence is ruined..

i played today 6 tables instead of 18 like I used from the beginning of september. a little of a luck and good play helped me be again with positive EV. what is your roll on nl10?
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