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| Micro Stakes PL/NL Discussions regarding micro stakes pot and no-limit hold'em (25c-50c and below) |
07-09-2008, 01:53 AM
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#151
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journeyman
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by hendrix23
I hear ya about taking shots. I've always had the problem too, but I usually get over it after 1k hands or so, and then it's just poker.
So you have 400+ buyins at nl5 right now?
I'de play less tables and move up. You have the roll for nl50-nl100 where you could be making 10x the money you are now. Maybe stop at a couple stakes on the way up for a bit till you get adjusted. But defintily move up imo.
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Yeah you're right. Time to move up I guess. Question though, should I play the same 28/24 style at 25nl, 50nl? Also, what changes should I make playing a 100bb game instead of 200bb?
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07-09-2008, 05:26 AM
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#152
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centurion
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 111
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by daxtrader
Yeah you're right. Time to move up I guess. Question though, should I play the same 28/24 style at 25nl, 50nl? Also, what changes should I make playing a 100bb game instead of 200bb?
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move up slowly. spend a month playing NL10, then a month of NL25 and so on (BR permitting of course). continue playing the style u are playing that works and adjust it if needed.
generally in a 100bb game, u can stack off lighter pf. AA/KK for sure and generally AK/QQ. Sometimes even AQ/JJ,TT villain dependant. Also, you can't profitably set mine if you are 3 bet pf since u are now 100bb deep instead of 200bb.
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07-09-2008, 05:37 AM
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#153
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: outfloppin' u with 88
Posts: 581
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by LuckyStraights
I've recently moved up to 2c/5c and after an horrific week, I'm moving back down to 1c/2c to re-build a little, I only have 6k hands but I'll appreciate some opinions on my own stats, so I have something to work on ready for moving up again.
I used to play 6 tables, though I have recently started playing 9 this week. The following pictures come from Poker Office, though I don't use a HUD. One thing I'm a little worried about is my WTS, most peoples stats seem to be around the 25% mark, my own is much lower for both my 1c/2c and my 2c/5c game. I would guess I may be blowing people off of weaker hands.
I don't like to open limp, I like to take the initiative and raise If I'm getting involved in a pot, steeling the blinds seems to be a regular source of BB's for me, though I'm struggling to increase my steel rate.

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I think your really a nit, start loosing up a bit and get it more to like 18/16/4.
Your missing value there are so much hands you can easily open, that you don't.
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07-09-2008, 05:40 AM
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#154
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: outfloppin' u with 88
Posts: 581
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by Knuckles
Thanks X0zix. I am definitely playing to many hands out of the small blind and I have started to tighten up there recently.
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There 2 things that might be a leak in your SB:
I mean there is nothing wrong with stealing blinds, just don't cold call often in SB. Ball till you fall, keep exploiting him until he catches on. If the BB is really tight, I'm stealing his BB everytime just until he catches on, and then I start tightening my opening range in the SB. I think that your doing good with stealing blinds, the leak of your SB is that when someone catches on, you keep trying to steal his BB. That's not the right thing to do. If you can fix that, it's gonna be a huge improvement for your game.
Ps: There might be a leak calling SB, limping in the SB when it's folded to you is the most horrible thing to do. Either raise it, until he catches on. Or fold when he picks a tell on you that you are stealing his BB alot.
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07-09-2008, 11:19 AM
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#155
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 2,503
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by X0zix
I think your really a nit, start loosing up a bit and get it more to like 18/16/4.
Your missing value there are so much hands you can easily open, that you don't.
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Do these numbers represent VPIP / PFR / Overall AF ?
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07-09-2008, 11:44 AM
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#156
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: outfloppin' u with 88
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by LuckyStraights
Do these numbers represent VPIP / PFR / Overall AF ?
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Yes sir  .
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07-09-2008, 02:50 PM
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#157
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2008
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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07-09-2008, 03:08 PM
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#158
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hating QQ
Posts: 613
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by X0zix
There 2 things that might be a leak in your SB:
I mean there is nothing wrong with stealing blinds, just don't cold call often in SB. Ball till you fall, keep exploiting him until he catches on. If the BB is really tight, I'm stealing his BB everytime just until he catches on, and then I start tightening my opening range in the SB. I think that your doing good with stealing blinds, the leak of your SB is that when someone catches on, you keep trying to steal his BB. That's not the right thing to do. If you can fix that, it's gonna be a huge improvement for your game.
Ps: There might be a leak calling SB, limping in the SB when it's folded to you is the most horrible thing to do. Either raise it, until he catches on. Or fold when he picks a tell on you that you are stealing his BB alot.
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Great analysis. It was a bit of both when I look over my hands. I was stealing too much against the BB and getting into marginal situations. Also I wasn't correctly adjusting when people were trying to steal my blind. Rather than 3 betting I was calling with too many hands that I thought were ahead of their range. I did have good equity against their range; however, without position it was very difficult to extract value.
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07-09-2008, 03:31 PM
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#159
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banned
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,501
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by daxtrader
I play 12- 15 tables and feel that I need 80-100 buyins for each level. I'm also afraid of taking shots.
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2,000$ lol
that was when i started taking nl 100 shots  (and losing)
anyway definitely move up man.. you can blow 40 buyins at nl 25 and still be overrolled.. at least play some nl 10.. jeez..
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07-13-2008, 11:11 AM
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#160
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centurion
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 128
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
Anyone can see some obvious leaks in my stats?
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07-13-2008, 06:21 PM
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#161
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Finland
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
Hngg... basically this summer.. had to start rebuilding again from NL50 and havent been able to play too much coz of traveling and parteeeeeing. If u can find some sick leaks please notify me. I know my fold to 3bet is quite high preflop but yeah.
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07-14-2008, 07:36 AM
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#162
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Finland
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by Dilaudid
Anyone can see some obvious leaks in my stats?
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Your WWSF is very low, but I guess it rly doesnt matter at NL50 since u can just nutpeddle.
Last edited by Bambiboi; 07-14-2008 at 07:41 AM.
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07-14-2008, 08:36 AM
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#163
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,115
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by Bambiboi
Hngg... basically this summer.. had to start rebuilding again from NL50 and havent been able to play too much coz of traveling and parteeeeeing. If u can find some sick leaks please notify me. I know my fold to 3bet is quite high preflop but yeah.

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Posting this here is a pretty big leak.  You're probably better than 99% percent of the people who'll ever read that post.
Not that I mind, nice motivational post.
Also those aggression frequency numbers are huge. Mine is 53.5 and I definitely consider myself one of the more aggressive players at 50NL. How can you find so many spots where betting is profitable?
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07-14-2008, 09:09 AM
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#164
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Finland
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite
Posting this here is a pretty big leak.  You're probably better than 99% percent of the people who'll ever read that post.
Not that I mind, nice motivational post.
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Yeah, i know it looks more like a brag, but it's really not. Well I am satisfied with my game so far at micros, and it is also to show few people here how it can be done (obv my sample size is still tiny, but I hope it dont even have to be that big before I can move back up again). So yeah, it's to also motivate ppl here.
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Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite
Also those aggression frequency numbers are huge. Mine is 53.5 and I definitely consider myself one of the more aggressive players at 50NL. How can you find so many spots where betting is profitable?
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I've always been pretty aggressive, but just for the last 4-5 months or so, I've been trying to pump up my river aggression and make ton of valuebets.
I'm don't know too much about AFq numbers, I used to use them year back or so, but then I got back to AF again for some reason. I do play on iPoker, where the regs are usually weaktight nits without the ability to read hands very well, so they're pretty easy to push out of pots, I guess.
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07-14-2008, 09:31 AM
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#165
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,115
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**
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Originally Posted by Bambiboi
I'm don't know too much about AFq numbers, I used to use them year back or so, but then I got back to AF again for some reason. I do play on iPoker, where the regs are usually weaktight nits without the ability to read hands very well, so they're pretty easy to push out of pots, I guess.
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I looked at it more in detail and the difference is on the turn and river. Which probably means I should read hands better. It's tough to make thin valuebets if you have no idea where you're at.
I've played some 10NL and 20NL on iPoker and I think the games were somewhat fishier than on stars. Then again, I was mostly nutpeddling with 18/14/3 with 55% W$SD. I basically left because there were no resizable windows and PAHUD didn't work with the mini windows. I wonder if it works with PT3's HUD.
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