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09-12-2010 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dego
but its "normal" loosing so much on BB ?
Maybe this is a little to much, thats why I pointed out some leaks I think you might have. But this sample is to small to really say anything.
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09-13-2010 , 09:21 AM
few really bad sessions, looking at my stats it doesnt seem obvious versus my previous 12k hands.
$ won at showdown looks off though maybe i lost the ability to hand read.....

before



last 4k hands
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09-13-2010 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sc00by
Dont get sucked in by all these guys praising your redline. At these stakes your blue line should be HUGE, and its not, relatively, with the rest of your game.

Dont get me wrong, redline is oh so nice to have and it is often a product of good hand reading and understanding situations and being able to make the correct play to win the pot. At these stakes though, a break even redline is awesome, and if you are decent you can crush with a huge winrate. Personally my redline is about the opposite of yours, but my blue line is fantastic.

Redline will help you tons when you are in games where there isnt as much dead money and showdown winnings are not easy to come by.

Be warned that Ive had similar stretches over small samples too, but overall my redline has always been a downward slope, until recently when I felt I needed to improve that side of my game to be able to progress to small stakes.
Slightly disagree with this statement after playing about 8k more hands, lines are staying on the exact same curve.

A few things I've realized.

1. I play more of a lag style.. about 29/24.

2. I'm involved in a lot of pots where I have air.

3. I'm doing a decent job of reading my opponents range thus betting them off there hand.

4. Obviously there are spots i'm missing value and i'm not pro ( thus 10nl..)

Showdown is starting to go up again though and I am trying to value bet thinner on rivers to get more calls and more cheeseburgers
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09-13-2010 , 12:05 PM
Hi all first post here.

Some info about me i have read some of the 2p2 books already. Ive already droped a few hundo in online. Decided to take it seriously and stop gambling. Deposited 10 dollars the other day and have been using BR management. My plan is to get to 100 dollars to go to 5nl.



and here is what pt3 has to say about me so far.



appreciate replies
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09-13-2010 , 04:56 PM
Half NL10, half NL20.



Any helpful response is much appreciated
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09-13-2010 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzy Fuzz
I posted my stats a little while ago, and here is another post after almost 60,000 hands.

Any comments on this from anyone?
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09-13-2010 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nemrih
Half NL10, half NL20.



Any helpful response is much appreciated
cbet more 50 is way to low, be more aggro in the right spots against the right oponents 25% agr is to low but it will go up when you cbet more and raise more when you have the best hand.
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09-14-2010 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by drewbreesus
Hi all first post here.





appreciate replies
DUDE! How do you get a redline like that - its amazing.
OK Your blue line sucks. But how do you do it??
I would think your Aggr Factor would be super high but its kinda normal.

Everyone has +ve blue line and -ve redline and tries desperately to get the redline level you have it completely the other way around.

So either you are playing in a completely new style, or you have found some very sheepish opponents that just keep folding on you.
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09-14-2010 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Quench
DUDE! How do you get a redline like that - its amazing.
OK Your blue line sucks. But how do you do it??
I would think your Aggr Factor would be super high but its kinda normal.

Everyone has +ve blue line and -ve redline and tries desperately to get the redline level you have it completely the other way around.

So either you are playing in a completely new style, or you have found some very sheepish opponents that just keep folding on you.
Me and some guy with a bouncing tits avatar had an interesting discussion about this 20 posts back or something.
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09-14-2010 , 05:00 PM


Anything stand out? Do you need more detailed stats?
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09-14-2010 , 05:52 PM
I'm trying to improve my game (50NL) but I don't know where to begin...looking at my stats and graph, do you notice any glaring weak spots?

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09-14-2010 , 06:46 PM
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4789/summaryy.png

What are ideal stats for NLHE .25 and .50?
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09-14-2010 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Quench
DUDE! How do you get a redline like that - its amazing.
OK Your blue line sucks. But how do you do it??
I would think your Aggr Factor would be super high but its kinda normal.

Everyone has +ve blue line and -ve redline and tries desperately to get the redline level you have it completely the other way around.

So either you are playing in a completely new style, or you have found some very sheepish opponents that just keep folding on you.
im pretty new to this "thinking" aspect of the game but i feel like my showdown winnings are so low because i play so much and doesnt mean im loosing 20bb each pot alot of times people are out of position to me and they will cc one bullet and if i decide the board is not a favorite for me to fire again at they will usually cc down and ill have a weak showing at the river. i think thats the reason im running above ev also in my graph
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09-15-2010 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by buffyslayer1
few really bad sessions, looking at my stats it doesnt seem obvious versus my previous 12k hands.
$ won at showdown looks off though maybe i lost the ability to hand read.....

before



last 4k hands
First pic was likely a heater. You cant go to showdown that often and be good more than 50% of the time like that.

Notice the change in WWSF stat.
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09-15-2010 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheese_Pizza
I'm trying to improve my game (50NL) but I don't know where to begin...looking at my stats and graph, do you notice any glaring weak spots?

Your CO and BTN ranges are too static. Open wider.

You're also on a heater, 7k is not a hand sample.
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09-15-2010 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nemrih
Half NL10, half NL20.



Any helpful response is much appreciated
You're playing too tight from most positions (UTG is very tight).

You're not cbetting enough. You're not barreling enough.

You're playing too straight forward, not fighting enough for pots.

You should add the fold vs cbet stats for a more indepth analysis.
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09-15-2010 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH
You're playing too tight from most positions (UTG is very tight).

You're not cbetting enough. You're not barreling enough.

You're playing too straight forward, not fighting enough for pots.

You should add the fold vs cbet stats for a more indepth analysis.
Thanks for the response I will be thinking about it in my next session and hopefully turn things around for the better when I get it all into my game.

fold v cbet stats:
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09-15-2010 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH
First pic was likely a heater. You cant go to showdown that often and be good more than 50% of the time like that.

Notice the change in WWSF stat.
what does this mean, that I am not winning enough on the flop? i.e. either not c betting enough or at the right time?

whats a 'normal' won at showdown %
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09-15-2010 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dizzy Fuzz
I posted my stats a little while ago, and here is another post after almost 60,000 hands.

Anyone?????
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09-15-2010 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by buffyslayer1
what does this mean, that I am not winning enough on the flop? i.e. either not c betting enough or at the right time?

whats a 'normal' won at showdown %
It just means you were running hot in the first chart. The more you go to showdown, the less likely it is you have the best hand. Anything over 30% means your W$SD (win at showdown%) should be less than 50%. And of course vise versa is also true. If you have a "lower" WTSD, you should have a higher W$SD because your range should theoretically be stronger at showdown.

If your WTSD is over 50% and your WTSD is 30+ it means you're running hot. WWSF normally determines how "tricky" a person is. 37-41 = straightforward, 41-45= competent, 45-50+ = tricky. But it makes sense that your WWSF is so high because your W$SD and WTSD is high.

Notice in your 2nd chart that your W$SD is much lower than before. Your WWSF also goes back to around "average".

You're not barreling the turn as much as you were in sample 2. I personally think your flop cbet is a tad high. But that's about all I can get from looking at these stats. I'm pretty sure you were on a heater in sample 1.

Last edited by sharkbaitOHH; 09-15-2010 at 09:19 AM.
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09-15-2010 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dizzy Fuzz
Anyone?????
Filter it by each stake that you play.

You're too tight. You're not cbetting flops enough.
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09-15-2010 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by nemrih
Thanks for the response I will be thinking about it in my next session and hopefully turn things around for the better when I get it all into my game.

fold v cbet stats:
Yeah, I would just suggest cbetting flops more and barreling good turns. Opening up your ranges (especially in CO and BTN) would also be good.

Your UTG range right now is 9.1 which is pretty much like AJs+,AJo+,22+. I think you can make it somewhere around 12% and still be okay.

Not going to go into a huge discussion about opening ranges, but you can try this out and see how it works for you.
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09-15-2010 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH
Filter it by each stake that you play.

You're too tight. You're not cbetting flops enough.
Too tight in all positions??

Im guessing I should be cbetting about 70% of the time?
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09-15-2010 , 11:20 AM
Here are my graphs and stats for 25NL on Pokerstars

It's about a week's worth of play, let me know if I need to post anything else.

Thanks in advanced!



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09-15-2010 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH
It just means you were running hot in the first chart. The more you go to showdown, the less likely it is you have the best hand. Anything over 30% means your W$SD (win at showdown%) should be less than 50%. And of course vise versa is also true. If you have a "lower" WTSD, you should have a higher W$SD because your range should theoretically be stronger at showdown.

If your WTSD is over 50% and your WTSD is 30+ it means you're running hot. WWSF normally determines how "tricky" a person is. 37-41 = straightforward, 41-45= competent, 45-50+ = tricky. But it makes sense that your WWSF is so high because your W$SD and WTSD is high.

Notice in your 2nd chart that your W$SD is much lower than before. Your WWSF also goes back to around "average".

You're not barreling the turn as much as you were in sample 2. I personally think your flop cbet is a tad high. But that's about all I can get from looking at these stats. I'm pretty sure you were on a heater in sample 1.
cheers man really appreciate it

if i was on a heater before am i nwo on a downer or am i losing player that was on a heater. or is it just to small to tell and random variance that i need to wait out until i determine if i am a winner at 25nl?
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