I bet flop 99.99% of the time in this situation
think checking flop is a leak

You reason is solid but the biggest leak people here have is that they think all players are playing the game like them. NL5z-10z are ver fishy and even the regz are terrible! At least you know how dumb is to check the flop.

ty fish.

Huge leak indeed. You must be a pro?


I think this rezi guy is beating nl 2 lol, i remember a thread where he showed his amazing nl 2 graph. Hes solid guys be aware

what a noob... no matter what **** you talk every competent player could see the flaw in your reasoning. Enjoy while the heater continues and please post more fake graphs.

lol

This forums is dead. Just to be clear on what my skill in poker is.

I was playing nl100 6max and HU before couple of years. Then I played mid-high stakes mtt's and $30-$60 spins.
I have been coached by some of best coaches and I understand GTO and how to play mixed strategy very well, after spending tons of hours on pio solver. Before 2.5 months I started a micro cash game challenge and played around 100k hands on each limit from nl2z to nl10z. The regz are indeed terrible and confused from watching stupid videos and reading books that are outdated or too advanced for them.

I wanted this confusion to stop... but spew tards like ChipsNcrsips will not give it up.

OK **** it lets just spew bull**** and not focus on the poker fundamentals. Lets talk semi gto and act like we think we want to be balanced but check the flop in this hand without any solid reason.

How many of you critics are playing on-line poker for living from 7 years? Don't answer I won't be coming back. #ripforum

Shut up mate.

Atleast give your reasoning lol.

Fine by me

for ppl who dont understand why this folding turn is good
1. Lets look at c/r flop ranges. bluffs vs values
JTcc JTdd ATdd AJdd all KQ combos, 77s/QQ/KK(lets only give him 3 out of 6 combos of KK and QQ as they would 4b some percentage of time)
If hes c/r this board , hes definitely a whale, unless hes so fishy I would definately put this out of his value c/r flop range
so he has like what, 4 combos of bluffs vs 9 combos of KQ ,6 combos of sets, even if we give him another 4combos of random spew/club hands like 9Tcc, we are still behind half of the time.
The reason for calling flop and folding turn is that we didn't pick up additional outs with clubs, any T or J, with the odds were geting and the price we are getting on the turn to hope for improvement on a 7 or 3 or A for our hand, the price and implied odds arent that good and its proly an exploited fold if the villain is playing solid.
also for those who are saying this is a mandatory bet on flop, it really isnt.
Look at villain's calling range we block AK, we block AQ, we block literally all the clubs draws cept 9Tcc and TJcc, only draws on this board are 9T and TJ, which we are blocking alot of outs, this could be an exploited check back sometimes so villain will start betting all his range on turn and rivers trying to rep hands.

I don't know what is optimal in this hand but I don't blame you for folding turn. This just doesn't seem like the hand I want to commit on this deep. Flop is tricky too cause you hold the Ac. I can't really fault you for the way you played this. Maybe the only way to make this hand easier is to continuation bet the flop smaller. I don't really like to check back flop with this hand. I'd rather check flop back with all Qx and bad kickered Kx.

Checking flop is whatever.
This is a very good board texture for hero to cbet, having the Ac isn't a good enough reason to x/b IP.
OOP i think checking is definitely optimal vs good regs, non of which play 5nl.

This should be an easy 3 street hand on brick run outs, 5nl players will have a very weak face up 2 street check calling range consisting of almost always 1 pair or draws.

I think checking/betting flop is whatever, but i prefer to bet since we hold nut blocker and if third flush card comes OTT it will be harder to get value from his weaker hands. Also i don't understand how x back here is superior, since we have like the third best value hand we can have here. Those of you who want to check this flop, do you bet with JcTc? Do you bet with offsuit JT? I don't see how having a polarised betting range here of strong draws/overpair-sets is bad. Either way, i think if you want to go for 2 streets its better to bet-check-bet/call on brick/club rivers.
As played, i don't mind the turn fold, we have the nut draw blocker + its hard to have bluffs here as mentioned + i don't think many villains will play draws like this on 5NL. Pot odds tho

Idk, 8.5 bb/100 at nl10 zoom over 180k hands 2 years ago not good enough at all?

Bet/fold flop. We have a major range advantage on this flop and can get plenty of value from plenty of Kx and Qx and probably JJ-TT (though of course a check back works fine against exactly JJ-TT because we can get our one street of value later anyway). It's very hard for villain to C/R this flop (especially without the Ac), since we also have KK, QQ, KQ and AcJc, while the only nutted hands villain has are QQ (if villain is smart enough to flat it UTG to a MP 3bet pre, which is not always the case) and 77 and KQ.

Because of our range advantage on this board, we're going to want to cbet all of our 3bet bluffs on this board, because if we xb A3s or whatever, it's going to be pretty difficult to rep a hand later. If we really think that a villain is not going to pay off 3 streets, we can check back the turn and get a second street on the river on most run-outs.

So by betting the flop, we are almost always getting calls or folds and the fact that we ran into one of the very few times we face a c/r here is not a reason to xb the flop. As noted above, we have KK, QQ, KQ and AcJc to defend against a checkraise. Folding AA is probably still exploitable, but I suspect that villains are underbluff-raising here (and are extremely unlikely to be trying to value raise AK), so a fold looks OK.

But this forums is dead though.

np, thank you

Idk, 8.5 bb/100 at nl10 zoom over 180k hands 2 years ago not good enough at all?

that ll be sweet bro