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04-28-2017 , 02:31 PM

NoLife

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 200 BB
SB: 223 BB
BB: 308.4 BB
UTG: 142.6 BB
MP: 103 BB
Hero (CO): 108.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, BTN raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.6 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (21.4 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, BTN bets 9.6 BB, Hero raises to 30.6 BB, BTN calls 21 BB

River: (82.6 BB, 2 players) A

b/f? If b/f, which size?

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04-28-2017 , 02:38 PM

Magyc

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Unless you think he missclicked preflop V is a fish. You don't block any diamonds so he still has Adxd, Kdxd and Qdxdx hands in his range that are calling turn, maybe AK and AQ, and JT-T9. That being said I'm probably b/f river somewhere around 3/5 pot.

Edit: didn't see stack sizes correctly, either shoving river or bet/call shove.

Last edited by Magyc; 04-28-2017 at 02:46 PM.

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04-28-2017 , 02:38 PM

gonsena

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I would not bet flop. Once we hit the straight x/r is good. And you can go all in on the river

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04-28-2017 , 02:51 PM

NoLife

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Originally Posted by gonsena

I would not bet flop. Once we hit the straight x/r is good. And you can go all in on the river

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V bets flop

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04-28-2017 , 03:23 PM

Shamway99

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How could you bet/fold river with 100bb? Just push river.

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04-28-2017 , 03:58 PM

gonsena

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Then i do not understand b/f
As when you re raise turn you commit yourself to the pot. Which he can only beat you with 99,TT,AT,A9,AJ.
If you are considering folding river maybe is better to check river.

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04-28-2017 , 07:47 PM

Haizemberg93

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you probably should just fold the flop K and Q are not that outs and Qd is not the best one either
ap-river is c/f.V has too many AT A9 AJ JJ 99 TT combos

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04-29-2017 , 01:06 AM

dillchips

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shove river

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04-29-2017 , 05:54 AM

Haizemberg93

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We need 32 % of equity for shove to be profitable if V calls with
if V calls our jam
with all AK AQ combos plus sets we have 36 %
if he calls with AK and FHs then we have 26% so in that case jam is immediately -ev
and if he folds AK too 14 %
but even if first case is true EV of C/F is higher then jam

EV(C/F)=0.6*82.6=49.5
EV(JAM)=0.1*82.6-0.9*0.63*70+0-9*0.37*152=20.4

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04-29-2017 , 07:33 AM

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Shamway99

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Heizemberg, you calculated eq for x/c not for jam, for bet you need over 50% always.
Also the EV for x/f is 0 (only a convention but in cash we use it).

I believe that V's range is weighted towards high aces e.g. there is 1 combo of ATs against 6 of AK etc. Besides he could have lowend straights. Anyway after this line KQ w/o diamond is the best hand I could have, dont like x/folding it.

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04-29-2017 , 08:10 AM

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KoalaBeer

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Shouldnt hero fold flop here?

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04-29-2017 , 08:41 AM

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siziono

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Should have folded the flop, x/f < shove given V's likely a fish and we're not gonna arrive on this river with many better hands.

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04-29-2017 , 09:41 AM

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Haizemberg93

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Originally Posted by Shamway99

I get what you are saying for 0 EV but I think(pretty sure) its only for hands that lose every time on SDV so bluffs we give up but EV of c/f hadns that have lot of SDV is not 0 because obv you win a lot when V checks beck.
And about 50 % rule I know its true if you are IP but I m not sure if its true if you are OOP.
I would say V could have all AT A9 AJ combos after min 3bet pre

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04-29-2017 , 09:54 AM

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Shamway99

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

Yes it is hard to say what a random minraising player can have. Maybe thats why here are opinions from x/f to push.
As for the EV calculation check itself is plus as soon it is x/f we just use 0 EV. Ofc we could calculate EV other ways, setting fold to zero is arbitrary but useful for cash game.

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