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07-04-2012, 02:21 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2009
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NL50 pre AJ in SB
Prima No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Prima Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($61.50)
BB ($49.25)
UTG ($68.43)
MP ($81.81)
Button ($51.75)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A  , J
2 folds, Button bets $1.25, Hero ???
opponent:
steals from BU 61%
Folds to 3bet 64%
4bets 17%
calls 3bet 19%
so his playing range if we 3bet is smtg like this:
66+,A4s+,K7s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A8o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
What is the best way to play this hand (I 3bet in Sb vs steal 9%):
call?
3bet/fold?
3bet/push?
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07-04-2012, 02:43 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Yukon, OK
Posts: 181
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
What is villains vpip, pfr, and sample size?
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07-04-2012, 02:59 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 247
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbull
What is villains vpip, pfr, and sample size?
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20/18 1,2khands
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07-04-2012, 03:03 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: I'm not there, I'm gone.
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
I'd call
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07-04-2012, 03:07 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 56
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
Id 3bet/fold, considering his high f3b and steal from BTN.
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07-04-2012, 03:57 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,182
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
I'd call. 3betting for value is OK since you're probably going to be ahead of his calling range, but the value you get when called is compromised by his 4betting. I suppose this is about as good a 5bet semibluff hand as you could possibly hope for, but rather than getting into a very marginal preflop war with this guy I'd rather call since calling is clearly going to be +EV.
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07-04-2012, 04:03 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 83
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
3bet this all day long and start mixing with calls when he plays back at you.
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07-04-2012, 04:09 PM
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Staking on HSC
Posts: 4,730
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
I'd 3 bet for sure knowing he's stealing 61% and folding to 3 bets 64%. As far as what to do vs. a 4 bet I would want to know what you think his read is on you. If you've put a lot of pressure on him in the past from the blinds I would 5 bet shove. If you've been passive I'd 3bet fold.
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07-04-2012, 04:35 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: trolling in Bangkok
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
is bb fish not full stacked? if he a fish call
sometimes I flat here if I have some reads on BTN, if not id lean towards 3betting
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07-04-2012, 04:45 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Finland
Posts: 5,938
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
The stats by themselves aren't enough. By far what is more important is how have you been playing and what has happened during last orbits.
If you have been 3 betting a lot and he has folded a couple of times you can 3b/5b. He won't get it in with dominated hands, but you will make money when he flats the 3 bet and 4b/f. 3b/f is not that nice with this good of a hand if we think he will be ready to 4 bet bluff often.
I don't like flatting in general as a tactic here against 60%+ stealers unless there is an additional reason (BB is a fish). We have to 3 bet bluff him enough for us to be able to value 3 bet AJs.
If you have no dynamic going on and you have been pretty quiet, 3b/f sounds good.
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07-04-2012, 06:26 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: uNL 6max (follow my PG&C)
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
why would we ever 3b/fold this. that seems absolutely terrible to me.
flat and get excellent IO from his massive btn steal and use this hand to flop nice equity to play back with/get good value with Jx/Ax by check raising. Much better for barreling with bdfd/fd etc after check raising, where as in a 3b pot we can just have something worse because we will just XF a ton when he calls.
If you tried to level yourself into 5b shoving AJs here because you think their is some mysterious dynamic, you would lose money in the long run imo
If I thought I was going to have to shove over 4bets I can choose much better hands to do it with. A2s-A5s and pairs are good for it. AJs is too playable for me.
Even AJo should be easy enough to play
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07-04-2012, 07:59 PM
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Staking on HSC
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
Quote:
Originally Posted by n000000b
why would we ever 3b/fold this. that seems absolutely terrible to me.
flat and get excellent IO from his massive btn steal and use this hand to flop nice equity to play back with/get good value with Jx/Ax by check raising. Much better for barreling with bdfd/fd etc after check raising, where as in a 3b pot we can just have something worse because we will just XF a ton when he calls.
If you tried to level yourself into 5b shoving AJs here because you think their is some mysterious dynamic, you would lose money in the long run imo
If I thought I was going to have to shove over 4bets I can choose much better hands to do it with. A2s-A5s and pairs are good for it. AJs is too playable for me.
Even AJo should be easy enough to play
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I guess being OOP doesn't matter to you but it does matter to most.
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07-04-2012, 09:38 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 76
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
Yeah I'd be flatting here as well. A lot depends on the BB though, if he is a short stack it becomes a 3b, and if he is a reg who likes to 3b then it becomes a 3b as well.
The advantage to flatting though is that your going to dominate his btn range. Also because it's AJs you have lots of options to bluff and semi bluff post flop.
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07-04-2012, 09:47 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: uNL 6max (follow my PG&C)
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
Of course being OOP matters but its not reason enough to waste a perfectly good hand because we are scared of the btn
If BB were SS I would just flat pre and induce light squeezes from SS because AJs I am like super happy calling off vs their shoves in LP
If it were sqz happy reg behind me I would probly just flat pre and flat his 3b then go from there, or back raise AI
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07-04-2012, 10:13 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 66
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Re: NL50 pre AJ in SB
I'd 3bet this for sure, win win win win, 1) 3bet and take down the pot when villain folds + it adds to your image of being a blind defender, 2) 3bet and he calls and take it down with cbet when you miss the flop with draw and 3 x A's and 3 x J's potential outs + again you add to your blind defending image ( ev+), I could go on with the positives here again and again, the only negatives are a 4bet or a uncooperative flop which with such a speculative holding are real easy to get away from.
If he is stealing from the button then AJs is near the top of your range for 3betin, I'd feel really comfortable 3betin a 20% range against this gentleman until he started to adjust in which case I'd adjust too. Lol treat a 61% btn steal like it is, exploitable and profitable, these are exactly the kind of ***** I want to have position on me!!
Check out a 61% range on pokerstove!
Last edited by shari74; 07-04-2012 at 10:28 PM.
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