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Old 02-03-2012, 02:53 PM   #1
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NL50 - KQo TP OOP

Hi, I need your advice on this one.

Villain is completely unknown.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($50.34)
BB ($30.11)
Hero ($50)
UTG+1 ($50.50)
CO ($59.31)
BTN ($65.36)

Dealt to Hero Q K

Hero raises to $2, UTG+1 calls $2, fold, fold, SB calls $1.75, fold

FLOP ($6.50) 9 K 8

SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, UTG+1 calls $4.50, SB folds

TURN ($15.50) 9 K 8 3

Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $9, Hero calls $9

RIVER ($33.50) 9 K 8 3 K

Hero ?

Both potsized stacks left.
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Old 02-03-2012, 03:15 PM   #2
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Re: NL50 - KQo TP OOP

bet turn

as played bet big
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Old 02-03-2012, 03:18 PM   #3
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Re: NL50 - KQo TP OOP

shove river, he would have 3bet pre with AK
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:49 PM   #4
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Re: NL50 - KQo TP OOP

As played, I would c/c to let him bluff his air. also keeps his vbetting range wider that may not call a river overbet. Don't think the river K changes much, if we were beat on the turn/flop, we're still beat on the river.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:14 PM   #5
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Re: NL50 - KQo TP OOP

I would check/call on the river. If he has full house, he raises you after you bet the river. He raises you if he has AK as well, and in both these scenarios you have no choice than to make crying call.

He calls with worse Kings, but he also bets when checked to him with worse Kings.

Check allows him to bet air, and in the event he has better hand (both hands above), he probably value bets and you lose less money, plus he's also going to bet with worse Kings.

The end result is that you're not folding in either scenario, but how much value is there in betting the river? He calls with worse Kings, and maybe but unlikely a 9. By betting, you eliminate the chance he has for him to bet his bluffs, or worse, you get raised. Neither of these happen by checking.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:29 PM   #6
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His line is consistent with PPs and sets ... check-fold the river. He's going to bet his sets and check back with his PPs for SD value. Doubtful that he's got a K in his range since he would likely 3B AK and fold worse kings. You are an unknown who has shown interest in the pot so I doubt hes going out of his way to turn his PPs into bluffs.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:33 PM   #7
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Re: NL50 - KQo TP OOP

Checking has more value in that we give villain a chance to bluff missed straight draws (and unlikely a couple of worse Kings). If we open shove the riv, he pretty much only calls with better. Either way we're committed, so give him a chance to bluff.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:48 PM   #8
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Checking has more value in that we give villain a chance to bluff missed straight draws (and unlikely a couple of worse Kings). If we open shove the riv, he pretty much only calls with better. Either way we're committed, so give him a chance to bluff.
If we put SCs in his range, then he would have 8 set/2P combos and 8 OESD combos so bet or CC doesn't really matter because its 50/50. If villain is half way decent, I don't see him potting the river with air against an unknown .. but I could be wrong. Also, do we know anything about the players behind villain? Its even more doubtful that villain has SCs in his range if there is an aggro CO or BTN behind him willing to 3B.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:53 PM   #9
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If we put SCs in his range, then he would have 8 set/2P combos and 8 OESD combos so bet or CC doesn't really matter because its 50/50. If villain is half way decent, I don't see him potting the river with air against an unknown .. but I could be wrong. Also, do we know anything about the players behind villain? Its even more doubtful that villain has SCs in his range if there is an aggro CO or BTN behind him willing to 3B.
M1xk, I agree wit you that check calling is best if villain has SCs in his range and CF if nit
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:36 AM   #10
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Re: NL50 - KQo TP OOP

This is a check-call. Shoving yourself doesn't achieve anything more than check-calling. Unless you think he calls with a 9 here. You look like you have a 9 or a draw here. If I were the villain I might try to bluff here.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:33 AM   #11
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Re: NL50 - KQo TP OOP

Your reasoning for c/cing turn should dictate what you do here
ie if you c/c turn to bluff catch then c/c again now.
Villain bets everything that would call a bet anyway imo.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:15 AM   #12
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Re: NL50 - KQo TP OOP

I think you have to bet in turn.You played check call and I think the best way is playing check call in the river in this situation
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:53 AM   #13
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shove river, he would have 3bet pre with AK
Cool assumption bro.
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