$50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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CO: $79.76 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 7.7, Hands: 653
BTN: $53.58 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 11, AF: 3.7, Hands: 1781
SB: $53.37 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 32, 3B: 14, AF: 2.7, Hands: 1562
Hero (BB): $57.36 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 25, 3B: 12, AF: 1.7, Hands: 11306

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A 4
CO raises to $1.34, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6.18, CO calls $4.84

Flop: ($12.61) 7 2 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8.41, Hero ???


Villain has a F23B @ 86% (sample size of 7 right now but still) hence the preflop bet. Does anyone like a C/R All-in here considering villain flats pre flop? He reps 77 and like 99-JJ maybe some AKs but I think we are behind most of his range.

Seems a bit spewy. If we had a bd flush draw, would totally be onboard.

Would be good to know if you have villain's stab stats.

Flat pre. I know why you're raising but you can 3-bet worse hands against this guy. c/r on this flop is lolzy.

edit: 3-bet sizing is pretty bad as well.

I should mention i was not advocating c/r'ing here as a standard play by any means btw - i guess i was just curious what kind of data other folks are using in making the decision to make a play like that. it was a situation where in my post game analysis I thought it could be a convincing enough play to an opponent whose error is folding more often than they should in some situations - though I dont have a specific read post flop that they do that, I can merely assume.

vs missed Cbet i only have 8 total instances and this person has a 50% stab IP.

Bet sizing is ****ty on this client, but i tend to 4x from OOP - its just this software client SUCKS and you cannot type in a dollar amount, it gets all messed up. So my options are like 3.2x'ing or this slightly larger size. The 1.34 is a result of clicking a 2/3'rs pot button which allows weird figures but you cannot type 1.34 as an actual bet so if I click 2/3rds pot or Pot button amount and then increase w/ the slider you get a horrible lack of resolution of bet sizing. So I err on the larger size since most opponents arent deviating too much if I raise to a slightly larger than 4x.

I hope youre not assuming i typed in 6.13 or whatever weird # it was But I figure err'ing on the side of larger as long as I'm consistent is better in the long run.

100% see using worse hands to 3bet vs stats like that. That is definitely something I should be doing. Are you suggesting that overall we keep our 3bet range the same size % of total hands wise we just polarize it a bit more more instead of a balanced range right, am i understanding that right?

If you feel completely competent in post flop play I don't hate betting 25-30% pot OTF, and playing turns. Suggested line is certainly questionable though, and often gets you in a lot of tough spots

If they're folding too much, 3-bet more until they actually fight back a few times and 3-bet with a polar range. So half understanding it right.

isn't the point of 3betting him to get fold pre flop? Therefore it's completely fine to just give-up with marginal holdings and you will still profit. But anyway, now that he calls you have to put him on a stronger range than optimal {QQ-88, KQs, AQ+} or you wouldn't 3bet him light, right? Do you expect him to fold enough of this range to make the x/shove profitable? He should continue with 41% of his range (72.2 in pot and 42.77 to call) to stop you auto-profiting. He only needs to call {AdKd, AdQd, KdQd, 99+} to accomplish this. If his tendency is to overfold, then he might fold TT and 99. Depends how he's adjusting to you. This range makes sense to the large flop bet. With that said, I think your check-shove would be pretty close to break even... and maybe even slightly profitable.

Preflop

"can 3bet worse hands"
So, does that mean you would be able to play A4s profitably OOP vs the CO open then? I personally wouldn't be able too (btw I play 2NL Zoom 6max, i used to play 25NL and some 50NL 3 years ago but i quit, im starting again)).
COuld you tell us which type of hands you would be 3betting with ? Kxs, Qxs? I like to use the Ax(s) because it has blockers.

For me A5s were the light 3bets in the past(still are)and that way I still had a polorized range (that was accepted/seen like that by most/if not all. I guess that changed over the years..?

Flop
OP , u Said . If you think this is his range, why would u c/r ? You expect him to bet/fold?

You could just c/fold.. His Cbet is pretty big. If he had bet a bit smaller you could have maybe called once (hope to hit a 4, A, or see a check from villian).
Your plan was to light 3bet ,it didnt work. Just because you hit BPTK doesnt mean you now must continue.


Btw his stab IP of 50% doesnt mean so much, because now it is a 3bet pot. Probably your sample size for stab IP in 3bet pots was 0/0

A4s still seems like a loose call pre so i think it's still a good hand to be using as a preflop bluff in these positions. I agree sisizng is to big though around 4.50 is better.

A4s. Big Blind vs. Cutoff. Cutoff probably has 30+% of hands here.

Monkey, Kxs, Qxs are fine as well as hands like T7s-74s and some other trashy somehow suited connected hands that aren't good enough to call.

Okay thanks for giving those ranges of hands. I cant say I would change my 3bet and call ranges preflop now, but I would go and look into it. Thanks

Yes - like I said, villain's biggest mistake that I was able to pick up on was overfolding in situations whether it was pre flop or post.

Clearly i dont expect him to fold 100% of his range here its probably closer to 70% i'd estimate.

Lets say i think he folds everything except 77 and JJ just for sake of argument it leaves us with:
6 combos 99
6 combos TT
12 combos AK
24 folds vs 9 calls

So 24/33 is ~73%
this doesnt include any kind of bs/nonsense that he may still see a flop with and bet as a bluff though I honestly dont think there's a whole lot there and would rather estimate maybe 1 suited connector combo to account for spaz but not a 0 equity holding so say 4 combos of QJs for example.