Villain is 24/19 seems fairly ok

Too thin? i reason he has many busted draws in his range that he doesnt want to bluff with now, and KJ, QJ, and some JT as well which might call. I dont think he checks a set on river here. Hands in his range that beat me which i think possible is AJ, but most often he would still bet that on river, no?

I think you`re oversimplifying this spot and not thinking about what your range looks like on the river.
The way you played the hand, you can have as many missed draws as him.
So if he thinks your range is more weighted towards missed draws, betting makes no sense even with quads cos he`s not getting called.Same goes for you.

Without any info on v donking multiway, i'm checking back river, can't see much worse calling, and as said before v may be checking a monster to let you bluff you're missed draws

Bet river

villain can have NFD, jx, lower 2pair etc. bet much bigger as well not just because you have 2pair but for the rest of your betting range.

He`s not calling any bets with those hands, and no don`t see him having any lower two pair.

i disagree

so does that means that we have to give up 100% of our missed stuffs or hands that doesn't have enough equity?

Does V never bluff catch here & therefore we are never betting?

If we do with what range?

You block flopped middle set, villain likely 3bets JJ, all the river draws bricked except a few KQs/98s but I'd only include the flopped FD and BDFD KQs/98s, and villain will sometimes 3bet KQs pre so there's a few combos of that villain might not have.

I'm vbetting this river all day long and never thinking it's thin at all (I wouldn't say it's fat value). Me thinly vbetting river would be with AK type hands.

EDIT - We don't block NFD from villains range which is nice, puts more hands into villains range that he could play this way. If you guys think villain is folding TP of the busted FD variety, well, I'll bet river with my 2 pair and let villain decide if he wants to fold it or not.

Also want to ask you guys that xb 2 pair here, what exactly is in your river value betting range? And do you expect them to get called? Eg if you vbet sets on this river (assuming you didn't raise prior), but villains have seen you xb 2 pair, what are you hoping to get villains to call with?

wp

flop could possibly be a fold though

also BB's stats are relevant

Not even close to thin imo

Flop seems like a fold

Yearh it probably is a fold. i tried just now to construct some possible donk ranges here, and if we take his J's, some sets (33 and 77), a two pair combo and a few draws i have a hard time getting more than 19-20% equity against that.

I think i call donks too much. If we had backdoor flush, or straight possibilities it would probably be a call i think but most of the time we have to improve to win in this spot and we only have 6 outs to do so, and aces are probaly counterfeitet 25% of the time or something here.

I would have to agree with this and the last post regarding the flop. A lead into 3 players where for us in a situation where 42 of 47 turn cards are unfavorable when villain double barrels is enough to warrant a fold.

I am betting the river kinda large so that I rep missed spades and not Ax which is what this bet size represents here. Something closer to 75%pot will get you looked up more often.

Probably gonna bet more like $7-8 since you have $19 on the river

So I think its pretty relevant to have a plan if villain goes for a checkraise on this river. I agree betting river is 100% good here, but what do we do if he ships on us? Just curious since this type of spot comes up a lot

Why don't you figure out what you're betting with since you seem pretty confident that betting is good, then give your best shot on his range because if you don't know what he's x/shoving here with how do you know it comes up a lot?

Still not sure what worse calls other then NFD.

I'd shove river before betting that amount.

Repped busted spades and bomb it.

Also flop call is very questionable.