NL25: Line Check 3bet pot- overpair on low flop - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Seamas111 · 08-19-2012, 07:36 AM

Villain 40/27 FT3B=50% 90 hands no reads

Anyone play this differently?

Microgaming - €0.20 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): €24.01
UTG: €23.31
CO: €21.84
BTN: €20.00
SB: €37.49

SB posts SB €0.10, Hero posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (€0.30) Hero has K

K

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to €0.70, Hero raises to €2.40, SB calls €1.70

Flop: (€4.80, 2 players) T

3

5

SB bets €2.40, Hero calls €2.40

Turn: (€9.60, 2 players) 8

SB bets €9.60, Hero raises to €19.21 and is all-in

samcx · 08-19-2012, 07:42 AM

Looks fine to me.

Mhnds · 08-19-2012, 08:53 AM

I call ott. He has 0 draws. We shouldn't be worried for giving free card.

(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.) · 08-19-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mhnds

I call ott. He has 0 draws. We shouldn't be worried for giving free card.

Villain is never folding when he pots the turn and there is a ton of money in the pot, so whatever he has, we always give a "free card" when we dont jam here.

And he might give up the river with the occasional turned FD, which is a really bad result if you consider he is never folding the turn, even if he has a flushdraw 1 out of 100 times here.

samcx · 08-19-2012, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

Villain is never folding when he pots the turn and there is a ton of money in the pot, so whatever he has, we always give a "free card" when we dont jam here.

And he might give up the river with the occasional turned FD, which is a really bad result if you consider he is never folding the turn, even if he has a flushdraw 1 out of 100 times here.

This.

Also it's unlikely but villain might be retarded and fold to an A or a T (if he has JJ for example)

As you say with this sizing he's never folding to a shove, there no complete air left in his range.

Seamas111 · 08-19-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

Villain is never folding when he pots the turn and there is a ton of money in the pot, so whatever he has, we always give a "free card" when we dont jam here.

And he might give up the river with the occasional turned FD, which is a really bad result if you consider he is never folding the turn, even if he has a flushdraw 1 out of 100 times here.

Agreed. Any read on his turn sizing?

Any merit in raising flop?

(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.) · 08-19-2012, 11:28 AM

Meh, the flop is dry enough and his play random enough to not raise imo. I expect to get folds somewhat often when we raise, at least a lot more often to really be scared of the rare ace ott and raise for protection or something.. So his range is pretty undefined and we should try to keep bluffs in.

As for interpreting his sizing. Its very villain dependant but usually this is a hand a fish wants to protect and that maybe picked up extra equity ott. You'll also see weird sets here, but usually Tx, JJ+, maybe AdTd or like 6d7d etc.

Seamas111 · 08-19-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

Meh, the flop is dry enough and his play random enough to not raise imo. I expect to get folds somewhat often when we raise, at least a lot more often to really be scared of the rare ace ott and raise for protection or something.. So his range is pretty undefined and we should try to keep bluffs in.

As for interpreting his sizing. Its very villain dependant but usually this is a hand a fish wants to protect and that maybe picked up extra equity ott. You'll also see weird sets here, but usually Tx, JJ+, maybe AdTd or like 6d7d etc.

Cool. My thinking was also that raising flop just narrows his range too much. When villian half pots flop and bombs turn in my experience its often a strong hand which he's not folding, so got money in before scare cards hit or flush misses etc.

Cheers for comments