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| Micro Stakes PL/NL Discussions regarding micro stakes pot and no-limit hold'em (25c-50c and below) |
08-08-2012, 10:24 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2009
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NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
[converted_hand][hand_history]Boss, $0.12/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (BTN): $29.89 (119.6 bb)
SB: $59.46 (237.8 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
UTG: $35.39 (141.6 bb)
MP: $27.29 (109.2 bb)
CO: $30.25 (121 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with J  J 
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.75, BB folds, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($5.75) 9  3  4 (2 players)
SB bets $4.31, Hero calls $4.31
Turn: ($14.37) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($14.37) A (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5
Any thoughts?
Last edited by glowica; 08-08-2012 at 10:31 AM.
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08-08-2012, 11:53 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: biggest player alive
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
I think you played it fine. Expect to see tons of crap at the river.
Preflop is interesting though, what about 4betting? Villain seems to be 3betting quite a bunch against BTN 3bets, therefore IŽd like to have a wider 4betting range (obv getting it in)
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08-08-2012, 12:19 PM
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#3
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 604
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
I decided to flat bceause we were 120bb deep so I expect villain to play rather a lil bit tighter vs 4bet, so he probbaly wont get it in light enough. But on the other hand we get so many folds that it still makes sense.
River bet, however seems to be a valuebet and I dont think 17% river agg is enough to say he bets crap, because he must know there is no folding equity when betting so small.
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08-08-2012, 12:22 PM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2010
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
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Originally Posted by glowica
I decided to flat bceause we were 120bb deep so I expect villain to play rather a lil bit tighter vs 4bet, so he probbaly wont get it in light enough. But on the other hand we get so many folds that it still makes sense.
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It makes more sense to flat and keep him wider than to isolate yourself vs the top of his range. If he folds to 4b so much start 4b bluffing with hands you can't flat his 3b with like weak Ax.
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08-08-2012, 12:56 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 94
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
I would have raised the flop to like 11-12. He seems to be 3betting vs. button open. The board is pretty dry, and doesn't hit his range very well. He's aware that we can be making a move with a wide range given the texture of the board, and therefore, he could 3bet with a smaller overpair or AK aq or even AJ, which we have good equity against.
I don't like flatting the flop, just because so many **** cards can hit the turn.
As played, fold OTR.
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08-08-2012, 01:12 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,640
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
This looks fine on all streets. Against a more aggressive player (wider preflop range, higher postflop aggression) I'd raise flop to get it in.
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08-08-2012, 01:12 PM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,098
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
Quote:
Originally Posted by glowica
[converted_hand][hand_history]Boss, $0.12/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
Hero (BTN): $29.89 (119.6 bb)
SB: $59.46 (237.8 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
UTG: $35.39 (141.6 bb)
MP: $27.29 (109.2 bb)
CO: $30.25 (121 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with J  J 
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.75, BB folds, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($5.75) 9  3  4 (2 players)
SB bets $4.31, Hero calls $4.31
Turn: ($14.37) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($14.37) A (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5
Any thoughts?
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Air bets the Turn most of the time. The A on the Turn is the perfect barrel card, why check it if you have air?
AK might go for a check raise on the Turn and is now trying to get some value from JJ, TT.
Hands like KK, QQ, might check the Turn and bet the River for value vs. JJ or TT.
He never as air in this spot.
Considering his small sizing I would look him up, we have to be good only about 20 %. Its close though. I dont mind a fold on the River.
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08-08-2012, 01:33 PM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
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Originally Posted by p_or_nsta_r
I would have raised the flop to like 11-12. He seems to be 3betting vs. button open. The board is pretty dry, and doesn't hit his range very well. He's aware that we can be making a move with a wide range given the texture of the board, and therefore, he could 3bet with a smaller overpair or AK aq or even AJ, which we have good equity against.
I don't like flatting the flop, just because so many **** cards can hit the turn.
As played, fold OTR.
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I don't think anyone at this level jams with any of the hands you listed, they just sigh that its another reg who cant play 99-JJ properly and fold. Flatting flop is fine.
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08-08-2012, 01:40 PM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: SMAW
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
Looking at his river aggression and W$WSF I think I fold. I would think I would of had some reads on his bet sizing though to see why he bet like that otf.
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08-08-2012, 02:26 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,744
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
he never has air in this spot lol at guys saying raise flop or bet turn. im foldin river here might even fold flop, he bets so much
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08-08-2012, 04:29 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 94
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
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Originally Posted by bmwteam
he never has air in this spot lol at guys saying raise flop or bet turn. im foldin river here might even fold flop, he bets so much
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So when you call the 3bet pre, what kind of flop were you hoping for? He Cbets like 60% of the time, what makes you think you're behind?
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08-08-2012, 05:37 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 165
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
Calling because it's possible villain does this with TT.
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08-08-2012, 05:39 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
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Originally Posted by p_or_nsta_r
So when you call the 3bet pre, what kind of flop were you hoping for? He Cbets like 60% of the time, what makes you think you're behind?
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I think we're hoping he doesn't jam the pot like he has QQ-AA
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08-08-2012, 06:02 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,109
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 88.182% 87.27% 00.91% 48 0.50 { 99+, A8s+, ATo+ }
Hand 1: 11.818% 10.91% 00.91% 6 0.50 { JcJd }
If he is never bluffing, fold.
Hand 0: 83.333% 82.05% 01.28% 32 0.50 { 99+, AJs-A8s, AJo-ATo }
Hand 1: 16.667% 15.38% 01.28% 6 0.50 { JcJd }
I assume he would vbet AK/AQ on turn. I can see him slowing down with all other value hands. What's interesting though, is that his turn aggression is higher than flop AF.
You'd need a read that he vbets small for thin value.
I still think the best play is to fold, even though I go 'meh' and call.
Last edited by fussie; 08-08-2012 at 06:12 PM.
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08-08-2012, 08:05 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Venezuela
Posts: 27
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Re: NL25, JJ in 3bet pot
the hand seems ok to me but i like a 4bet pre, its a better decision to me.
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