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NL25: FD+Overcards, Turn decision NL25: FD+Overcards, Turn decision

10-22-2014 , 08:12 AM
PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $21.79 (VPIP: 32.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 26)
CO: $60.46 (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 17.17, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 209)
BTN: $25.25 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: $69.07 (VPIP: 26.43, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 145)
BB: $26.54 (VPIP: 19.48, PFR: 19.48, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)
Hero (UTG): $27.78

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K Q

Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60, 2 players) 5 J 6
BB checks, Hero bets $1.10, BB raises to $3.00, Hero calls $1.90

Turn: ($7.60, 2 players) 6
BB bets $4.50, Hero ?

No reads on villain. Do you call here due to implied odds? What if we hit a pair on the river and face a bet. I think we would have to fold then, correct? So, do we have 9 (FD) or 15 outs (FD+overcards) here?
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10-22-2014 , 08:16 AM
Fold imo. You 're drawing dead way too often. BB vs UTG isn't a spot people make crazy bluffs in.
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10-22-2014 , 09:26 AM
Fold turn.

You have 9 outs at best and that's probably being optimistic.

If a flush comes on the river you are often getting it in bad.
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10-22-2014 , 09:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YourVeryBestEnemy
Fold imo. You 're drawing dead way too often. BB vs UTG isn't a spot people make crazy bluffs in.
Agreed. Fold it. Obviously when you are RR on the flop flat and continue but the bet sizing on the turn is an action killer and villain probably knows this. If this was blind vs. Blind I could see a k or q being good on the river but not here.

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10-22-2014 , 10:11 AM
Good turn for us in some ways but we don't have any clean outs. I might continue with the nut flush draw.
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10-22-2014 , 10:21 AM
Flop is fine. F turn.
If i had the NFD i would C turn with the intention to shove river if V X's
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10-22-2014 , 10:25 AM
I would just check back the nut flush draw on the river basically always. Shoving would be pretty bad.
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10-22-2014 , 12:22 PM
Yes, fold for reasons mentioned earlier.
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10-22-2014 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
I would just check back the nut flush draw on the river basically always. Shoving would be pretty bad.
What makes shoving bad? Doesnt V have a capped weak range? If V had a value hand; wouldnt they B river?
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10-22-2014 , 12:50 PM
Might consider calling had board not paired, but that makes it a very quick fold for me.
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10-22-2014 , 12:53 PM
jam
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10-22-2014 , 12:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrunkMonkey
jam
Do you think he folds his Ax flush draws?
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10-22-2014 , 01:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denjua
What makes shoving bad? Doesnt V have a capped weak range? If V had a value hand; wouldnt they B river?
They won't check/fold anything they raised for value and you beat all worse draws. They might be checking just to make you shove missed draws. So we don't target anything by shoving. Compared to if we had 7s8s that we'd called the turn with, in which case even making better draws fold would be a plus (although people might not be folding enough to do it).
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10-22-2014 , 01:34 PM
if he doesn't he calls with lower flush draws too and folds out all of his air 8/9 hi type stuff, small/mid pp stuff. call/fold on a blank sucks since his value range here just got suuuper slim
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10-22-2014 , 01:49 PM
What range are you guys assigning to V given stats and flop action? Personally I'd give him 2p/55/66 and maybe AJ
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10-22-2014 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by alex5207
What range are you guys assigning to V given stats and flop action? Personally I'd give him 2p/55/66 and maybe AJ
55/66/56 for value and then some bluffs. But people tend to slow down on the paired board somewhat. If we had some showdown value I'm more likely to call because people give up so many rivers. AJ isn't out of the question but it's not something that a lot of players are doing.

Edit: Actually scrap AJ because we open UTG. Don't think anyone is doing it in these positions. Also makes him more inclined to call draws and puts JJ in his range.
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