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Old 07-31-2012, 07:22 PM   #1
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NL25 3b bluff vs reg, clueless

BTN's stats over 165 hands:
24 VPIP / 16 PFR / 4.0 / 44 Steal / 13 WTS
6.4 3bet / 100 f3bet / 88 cbet / 67 fcbet

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Villain looks competent and steals 53 from BTN. I don't think my hand is a good 3betting hand to begin with.. I got lost in this hand and need advice. Villain never minraised before but raised 3x, and thus I thought he's testing if he could bluff me off a 3b pot. I call as bluff catcher, and feel confident when he checks behind. The riverbet came quickly - I put him on AK/AQ and fold easily. Fold pre? What about the flop?


    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13621662

    Hero (BB): $29.39 (117.6 bb)
    MP: $30.40 (121.6 bb)
    CO: $6.52 (26.1 bb)
    BTN: $46.31 (185.2 bb)
    SB: $23.63 (94.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with T 9
    2 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.75, BTN calls $2

    Flop: ($5.60) 5 T 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.75, BTN raises to $5.50, Hero calls $2.75

    Turn: ($16.60) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($16.60) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $7.92, Hero folds




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    Old 07-31-2012, 07:28 PM   #2
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    Re: NL25 3b bluff vs reg, clueless

    Raise OTF looks like nut flush draw with 2 overs, or combo-draw type hand. The fact that he checks behind OTT seems to make this more apparent. Villain has a lot of aces in his range when he flats the 3bet and also has lots of over-pairs to your ten.

    I'm folding here because the only hands you beat are 68s, 46s, or maybe QKs and I really doubt he's flatting those pre.
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    Old 07-31-2012, 10:51 PM   #3
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    Re: NL25 3b bluff vs reg, clueless

    since his fold to 3bet is 100% that when he flat calls, you can pretty much narrow his range down a great deal, TT+ AJ+

    when he raises a ten high flop, im going to put him on a flush draw or an over pair that doesnt want you seeing another card perhaps pocket jacks, and sometimes with AK if you have some history. The minraise in my opinion looks pretty strong, as he is likely to flat call with a flush draw in a 3bet pot, as if you go over the top of his flop raise, he probably isnt getting great odds to draw.

    i personally would just get out of the way on the flop, considering you havent seen that he is a maniac.
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    Old 07-31-2012, 10:57 PM   #4
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    Re: NL25 3b bluff vs reg, clueless

    I wouldn't put any faith in a f3bet 100% after 160 hands.

    I doubt he's checking a better hand than ours on the turn, which polarizes his river range a bit. I shrug and call river - even if you give him AhXh sometimes I think he's got enough random **** in his range to justify a call.
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    Old 08-01-2012, 02:23 AM   #5
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    Re: NL25 3b bluff vs reg, clueless

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    I wouldn't put any faith in a f3bet 100% after 160 hands.

    I doubt he's checking a better hand than ours on the turn, which polarizes his river range a bit. I shrug and call river - even if you give him AhXh sometimes I think he's got enough random **** in his range to justify a call.
    Not putting any faith in there too. I gave him exactly this: AK/AQ NFD and JJ-QQ. While I think checking back the turn weakens his range a lot, I think the A hits him hard.

    I now realize his overs are outs too, so his FD has ~50% equity against me plus if he ever has JJ+ I'm crushed. I guess I will fold flop next time - playing this oop isn't fun.
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    Old 08-01-2012, 04:19 AM   #6
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    Re: NL25 3b bluff vs reg, clueless

    if i had to pick a hand, I would put him on J 10 or Q 10 of spades....of course his range is wider than that. The min raise seems like tp ****ty kicker to me, and the check on the turn was he wanted to see river cheap. Just my 2 cents.

    Oh yea...Fold preflop. 10 9 off not the best hand to play oop.
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    Old 08-01-2012, 04:33 AM   #7
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    Re: NL25 3b bluff vs reg, clueless

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    I wouldn't put any faith in a f3bet 100% after 160 hands.

    I doubt he's checking a better hand than ours on the turn, which polarizes his river range a bit. I shrug and call river - even if you give him AhXh sometimes I think he's got enough random **** in his range to justify a call.
    this and i dont hate the 3bet pre but theres just better hands to do it with then 910o
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